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Would the Soviet Union have fomented war if the US.....

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Annoyedgrunt, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Annoyedgrunt

    Annoyedgrunt Dry Heat my ASS

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    hadn't partaken in the Cold War arms buildup?

    I saw the movie Strategic Air Command the other night on netflix. Great movie, with some of the best footage I've ever seen on the Convair B-36 Peacemaker (in fact, the only footage I've seen in a movie.)

    Doing some reading on the B-36, I found out that they would cost, in today's dolllars, $40 million each. There was some 384 built. While I was trying to get my mind around how much all those planes cost, I couldn't help but wonder- was it all necessary? What would have happened if the U.S. had not partaken in the massive military buildup of the Cold War? Would the Soviets have attacked, or otherwise caused us problems?
     
  2. GAFinch

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    Declassified intel over the years has shown that McCarthy wasn't involved in some witch hunt...there really were a lot of radical communists in this country.
     

  3. HollowHead

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    So? Being a Communist / Republican / Druid, etc. isn't illegal. HH
     
  4. jeager

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    Truman had already demonstrated we'd use nukes responsibly.
    Just this last week, the 50th anniversary of the Missile Crisis it is revealed that Kruschev was willing to leave 100 nukes in Cuber at the sole control of Castro.
    Friend of mine piloted B-36 outta Castle AFB.

    "six turning, four burning"

    Yeah, Baby!!!
     
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  5. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

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    After the breakup of the Soviet Union, declassified KGB and GRU communication files (The VENONA Intercepts) showed that there were a number of people on McCarthy's lists who were, in fact, active Soviet agents.

    Hell, we also now know that the NKVD alone had over 200 agents operating at different levels in the FDR Administration, and they (the NKVD) were supposedly an internal secret police force operating solely within the USSR! The GRU and KGB had at least an equal number of active operatives working within the US during the 40s and 50s as well.

    McCarthy was an ass, but he was absolutely right about the extent of Soviet penetration in our Federal Government and among leading defense contractors.
     
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  6. MtBaldy

    MtBaldy Obie Wan, RIP

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    Yes, they were committed to world domination and didn't make any secret of it. Without the US to confront them they would have taken over the world one third world cesspool at a time until we were the last man standing.
     
  7. janice6

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    Any country would, and will, if they think they could pull it off. If we get weaker, just wait.
     
  8. ateamer

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    There is a fantastic air museum at Castle airport (the USAF left in 1994). They have about 50 aircraft, including a B-36 and a B-52. It's sad to see the ramp practically empty. I can only imagine what it was like to have several dozen big bombers lined up.
     
  9. Gills63

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    The build up was our way of giving back bone to mutally assured destruction. We had to convincingly show them that if the US goes down we are taking them with us. Whether it be nukes or conventional warfare, the Cold War was all about perception.

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  10. raven11

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    the Soviet involvement in Korea , Vietnam , ect. in material, funds, and sometimes personnel shows that the Soviets were pretty interested in how their equipment would fair with US equipment and tactics
     
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    "Six turning, four burning..." HH
     
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    Thanks to some "useful idiots" the Soviets knew what we had and our capabilities. Not to mention that we were popping nuke weapons off by the hundreds.

    That being said, looks at history of the Cold War, who was doing the provoking. I mean, we placed missiles all around the Soviet border, and they see cuba as tit for tat. We had recce aircraft flying deep into Soviet airspace. Is that not an act of war? Did they fly into the interior of the US?

    Looking back, it makes me wonder.
     
  13. Clutch Cargo

    Clutch Cargo Amsterdam Haze

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    Illegal? No, but you got blacklisted and could not get work.

    My father traveled to all the stateside Air Force bases training folks to spot commies and spies.
     
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    (1) No.
    (2) Yes.
     
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    How would we react if the Soviets had flown a manned spy plane over the interior of the US? I'm quite sure that would be considered an act of war by our .gov at the time.
     
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    They weren't stupid. The USSR simply used Cubana commercials with cameras in their bellies. HH
     
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    Did the cubana commercials fly over sensitive places like Los Alamos, Hanford or Oak Ridge? We flew over the Soviet equivalents. Powers was shot down near the Mayak complex.
     
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  18. jeager

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    Don't forget the SR 71 !!!

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    Groton/New London on the way to LGA in NYC. The Russians knew more about our subs than Electric Boat. HH
     
  20. CitizenOfDreams

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    I will take Cold War anytime over the "War on Terror" we are having now.

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