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Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by allrad, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. allrad


    Jun 11, 2009
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2011
  2. lsbbigdog


    Dec 12, 2008
    Pretty cool setup. The biggest complaints I hear about 1911 is people are afraid to carry in cond 1 . Why I don't know but this might make those people more at easy carrying a 1911

  3. JohnJak

    JohnJak sadly spent

    Mar 7, 2005
    Bill's system has been out for awhile. You will find that 1911 purest will resent this idea. I find it rather useful in todays world.
  4. drc767

    drc767 Navy CSAR

    Dec 30, 2007
    Just something else to fail in that "fatal moment". If you are uncomfortable carrying C1 with a 1911, you probably shouldn't be carrying a 1911. And installing one of these to make somebody else feel more comfortable should they see my concealed carry 1911 with the hammer back is the least of my concerns. This is the equivalent of installing a manual safety on a Glock.....It is a "gimmick" product that, unfortunately, will probably have many customers.
  5. :agree:
  6. Ranger325


    Jun 22, 2007
    Sorry, but I think solutions are for problems, and I don't see one here. First time I've been called a 'purest'....................

  7. lsbbigdog


    Dec 12, 2008
    I agree . If they are that concerned they should be carrying another weapon.
  8. Nakanokalronin

    Nakanokalronin JMB & MTK

    May 13, 2008
    Is there a problem with C'd & L'd? :dunno:............;)

    ETA: Just thought I'd mention a little tid bit long ago. I remember when I got my second handgun, a SA Mil-Spec 1911 and read of all the fears of C'd & L'd carry. I thought okay, I'll leave my 1911 with an empty chamber, cocked back with the safety off and carry it that way as much as I can and see if the hammer drops on its own. Well to make a long story short, the hammer never dropped. I would even purposely bang the holster into counter-tops and door ways to see if it could be jarred enough to "fire". Nothing ever happened.

    One thing I don't think some people realize is a commander hammer is actually protected by a beaver-tail from getting hit if the 1911 is dropped on it's back. Most of them are cupped inside the BT and almost all of them are shorter than the BT when cocked back.

    MY LGS has a BHP with the SFS system installed and I found it odd at best.

    In reality, its a mental thing. I've found plenty of people afraid of 1911 C'd and L'd carry that have no problem with a fully loaded/chambered Glock. I believe people associate the hammer of a 1911/BHP with the hammer of a revolver.
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2011
  9. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    Is this system similar to the FN or Daewoo system where the gun is on SA but the hammer is forward?
  10. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

    Feb 3, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    Ha, how dumb. Those who are afraid of an exposed hammer are just silly. Most of the time it's the same people who carry a glock or some other striker-fired gun with NO safety's at all, besides those "action safeties."
  11. lsbbigdog


    Dec 12, 2008
    I like the ones that carry without one in the chamber even better.
  12. HotRoderX

    HotRoderX Gen4 BETATester

    Jan 15, 2011
    I dont see how people can feel unsafe with a 1911 in condition 1. To me the only thing safer is a double action revolver.

    I don't see how people carry a Glock with one in the chamber. Sorry but I need a external safety I can snap on or off to feel comfortable with. When it comes to gun safety I want something I can physically feel. I don't want something that I hope works.
  13. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    Why the hell should I be concerned if someone sees my weapon with the hammer cocked?

    C&S makes some great parts,......these are just not for me.
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2011
  14. lsbbigdog


    Dec 12, 2008
    It's mostly newbs that I hear these comments from. I think just the look of a cocked hammer makes them nervious . Once the understand the way the safety features work they seem more at eased .

    I always carry one in the chamber in my Glocks. The only way they go boom if you squeeze the trigger or shoot .40sw:whistling:

    I know thats been a debate for a while with LEO's . Some feel it's safe to have external safety if an assailant tries to unarm an officer and the perp not knowing about the safety feature can buy the cop time .Some argue they don't want to be hampered buy disengaging a safety if the weapon is drawn. I believe Massad Ayoob did an article on this in one of the magazines.
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2011
  15. bac1023


    Sep 26, 2004
    I agree with Dave 100%.
  16. rvrctyrngr

    rvrctyrngr Senior Moment

    Sep 15, 2004
    Gator Nation
    I'll tell you all from experience that the SFS system is dangerous! I bought a pair of FN HiPowers that had it (couldn't pass up the deal).

    I took one through a defensive pistol class and found out that drawing at speed from the holster, it is possible to jam the mechanism in such a way that it locks up the entire gun. I had to manually re-cock the hammer to clear it. Once? Okay, a fluke. It happened a minimum of 5 times. I had to get another HiPower out of my bag to do the rest of the class.

    Sent the thing to Wayne and asked him to rebuild it completely. Now I have another great shooter that is actually my favorite HiPower. Kudos to Wayne.

    Stay away from the SFS (on a carry gun, any way).
  17. 40 0'Glock

    40 0'Glock

    Mar 22, 2009
    I'll stick with Cocked and Locked for 1911s, as intended. For hammer-down carry there are plenty of other excellent pistol options out there.
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2011
  18. tango44


    Jun 16, 2005
    Miami Florida
    That is not new I remember seen a Colt with that kit called triple action I guess!
  19. bladeandbarrel


    Apr 7, 2010
    yes, if you are pulling the trigger while dropping the safety I believe this dumb system goes **** up.
  20. rvrctyrngr

    rvrctyrngr Senior Moment

    Sep 15, 2004
    Gator Nation
    That's pretty much what was happening. Pushing for speed, I was getting on the trigger before the system had fully re-cocked the's not exactly an instantaneous process...and everything went Tango Uniform.

    Not an issue with a 'standard' configuration, obviously.