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Winchester PDX1 giving HST a run for its money

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by OGlockYes, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. OGlockYes

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  2. patscrazy

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    Saw a couple of boxes of the 180gr .40 at a gun shop in my area today as well. Box of 20 rounds for 19.95. Not bad. Looked like a SXT.
     


  3. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

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    Well I didn't see it in 10mm stuffings, maybe they will produce the bullets for handloaders (NOT!) While the concept is good they will need to step up the production to catch up to Speer Gold Dots.
     
  4. MURRAY

    MURRAY Millennium Member

    I bet its the little box of Bonded Ranger loads...........but thats just a guess
     
  5. OGlockYes

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    its a small box of 20. ive seen the hst expanded and its impressive but the winchester pdx1 edges were scary sharp. i had to handle it with care while examining it.
     
  6. IndyGunFreak

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    I thought it looked like an SXT also,..

    IGF
     
  7. carbofan21

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    so you're saying it's the same exact thing as the SXT?

    hmmmm
     
  8. IndyGunFreak

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    I don't know who you're referring to, but no, I'm not saying that. I just thought it looked like an SXT.

    IGF
     
  9. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    More accurate comparison would be DPX will be competing with the GD.

    Winchester is offering a 5% rebate with a 10000.00 order. I can not decide if I want to tie up inventory money and room for this product yet.
     
  10. Dreamaster

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    Oh come on! Just tout it as the "HST Killer" on your website and watch all 10,000 dollars worth be gone in a day.
     
  11. kensteele

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    ^ha, in less than a day. i'll buy some of it.

    edit: at the right price of course. ;)
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2009
  12. degoodman

    degoodman Out of Columbus

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    You just making this stuff up as you go?

    Bonded ammo is more expensive to manufacture, not less.

    Bonded vs "traditional JHP's" borders on a straw man argument. All modern ammunition is designed to perform within a very specific and relatively narrow performance window, defined by the FBI/DOJ ballistics testing protocols.

    Another small point is that in real shoots, nothing expands as well as it does through bare gelatin. Bonded, unbonded, otherwise. the pretty pictures of perfectly expanded HP's aren't usually what the surgeons dig out of someones' chest. People wear clothes, they have bones in front of all those structures we're trying to hit in a defensive shoot. Maybe we're not trying to shoot into a car, but out of one. etc.

    So bonded vs unbonded is a choice, its not an absolute. Yes, if you're in LE, where the odds of engaging a subject inside a car, or making a shot through intermediate cover to engage a shielded BG are much higher than for those not in that profession, a bonded bullet makes sense under those circumstances. For a civilian, I think its still a choice. Bonded bullets don't expand as aggressively, which means they stand a better chance of surviving an encounter with bone intact, for example. If you're comparing unobstructed frontal shots, then yea, maybe unbonded has an advantage, but that's getting into awfully narrow circumstances, probably just as narrow as focusing solely on a car shoot when picking ammo.

    Oh, and about HST, its value line ammo for cops. ATK considers Federal Tactical Bonded and Speer Gold Dot the current top of the line ammo for LE use. Yea, it expands wickidly in gel. Gel is putting a bullet's best forward. Lets see how it does after 4 or 5 years of LE shoot data comes in. That's probably how long its going to take to get a meaningful number of shoots together to draw serious conclusions from.

    and by the way, the gold dot is a bonded bullet, and all three are less than 20 year old designs, The Gold Dot and the Uni-cor process being patented in 1990, the Winchester ranger family in 1995, and Federal patenting what looks like the underlying technology of the HST in 2002.

    With the current crop of defnesive ammo on the market, Which I'd consider to be the current ranger series, Gold Dot, HST, Tactical bonded, Bonded Golden Sabre, Hornady TAP or FTX, and the Barnes XPB, which corbon loads as the DPX, arguing the superiority of one or the other over its peers is like discussing rank amongst buck privates. Those are fully capable of doing the job on a BG if you do yours. How pretty or how wide the bullet is when it gets yanked out of a block of jello does not tell the story, and more is not automatically better. HST supplies are tight, and look to get tighter if you buy the rumors. Ranger has always been relatively scarce, obtainable, but not easily, or usually locally. GD's are a little more loose, both in the 50 round boxes we like, and in the 20 rounders that are out there all day long. If you can't buy brand F, then Brands S, W, H, R or C will do you just as well in all likelyhood.
     
  13. DRT

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    DocGKR indicated that the HST is performing as good as Ranger T in the real world police engagements. Between his positive feedback and it's outstanding performance in ballistics testing across the spectrum, HST appears to be a good choice.

    Im also liking the barnes xpb bullets more and more.

    If GD is ATK's premium line, then why isnt it restricted like HST? If it's premium then it must be better? Hmmm.
     
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  14. carbofan21

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    :goodpost:
     
  15. OGlockYes

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    does anyone know anything about the winchester pdx1 round?
     
  16. OGlockYes

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