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Winchester .40 s&w 180gr Bonded JHP Q4369 question..

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    I bought 4 boxes at my local Cabelas & none of those had the red around the primer, but i picked up a box at my local gun shop and all 50 primers had the red around them. Can someone explain to me what the purpose of the red stuff is for(I think i have an idea lol)? All 5 boxes are Q4369 if that matters, is this decent ammo? Thanks. Chris
     

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    The red stuff is primer sealant. S&B uses it on all their ammo.

    What you got there is probably factory overrun and/or ammo that did not quite meet the specs of the contract. I believe the Q ammo is not up to the same quality standard as the regular Ranger line. Hotpig will probably chime in and clear things up.
     

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    Awesome, thank you.
     
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    Sorry, but what is S&B ammo?:dunno:



    *Edit* Is it Sellier & Bellot ?
     
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    Sellier & Bellot is correct.


    That particular product is a little off spec compared to the other 180gr versions. That is why it was so cheap. Eventually it will be sold out and gone hopefully fore ever.
     
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    Is it good ammo for self defense or just shooting at the range?
     
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    I have had great experiences with the Q4369. A prominent name in the ballistics world posted on another site that he personally contacted Winchester and was told it was the exact same round as the Q4355 - the only difference was the boxes. I emailed Paul Nowak at Winchester a while back and was told essentially the same thing. I'm sure ammo retailers are not thrilled with it, because there is not as much room for mark up in a cheaper product. From the end user's standpoint, it's a huge bargain.
     
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    How was it off spec? Velocity, or bullet variations?
     
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    I've been stocking up on this ammo. Haven't seen it with sealed primers yet. I find it very consistent and accurate in my Glock. The only issue in what I've gotten is about 1 out of every 4 to 5 rounds does not have a clean hollowpoint cavity. Their is actual grit in it. I segregate it for practice use only. Very happy overally for what is a steal price wise.
     
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    I shot 200 rounds of this ammo today at the range, not one issue with it at all, going to order another 500 rounds.
     
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    That's good to hear, just bought my dad 200 rds of this.
     
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    I like it, no complaints here.
     
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    I take back what I said. Dirty, corrosive, not accurate! (I lie. Just don't want you all amassing it and it run out. It's the only steal in .40 jhp right now.)
     
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    :rofl: Don't get too worried, getting him to spend $ on ammo is like pulling teeth.
     
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    The dies are worn and Winchester did not want to make new ones since production was moving south anyway.

    I had intended on carrying that product just to offer a low cost SHTF or function test ammo. When the guys that actually make the bullet say do not buy it I will listen to them over a sales rep.

    I have been a fan of that PDX1 bullet for ten years longer than it was offered for sale. I actually gave up thinking that it would become a regular production item.
     
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    I have had great experiences with the Q4369. A prominent name in the ballistics world posted on another site that he personally contacted Winchester and was told it was the exact same round as the Q4355 - the only difference was the boxes.

    Thanks for that answer, I had been asking the same question for a while since SGAmmo.com has been my supplier of it lately.
     
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    Thanks for posting about them. I looked and the prices (and especially shipping) seemed very reasonable. I just got another 100 rounds from CTD today and only 1 out of the 100 had any grit in a hollowpoint cavity. I went ahead and ordered an additional 500 round case along with some other stuff I needed from SGAmmo. :)
     
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    The grit is left over from tumbling. Winchester does that to their Premium stuff before packaging. I get some customers than mistake it as corrosion around the primer.
     
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    Does the fact that Winchester takes the time to tumble the ammo, in the same manner as the Ranger, indicate that some care has put into making it? If the Q4369 is truly just junk, second-rate ammo, would they take the time to visibly seal the primers and tumble the cases? Just curious.
     
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    Good point, I'll probably pick up some more lol.