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Will my Glock 21 drop a black bear?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by alfred10, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. alfred10

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    :wow: Came accross a 200 pound black bear while I was walking my dog. Will my Glock 21 drop one? How much more penetration will a Glock 20 give my on a Bear? I decided to stick with the 21 for daily carry bit the 20 might be better for the woods? Do you think a Glock 20 would make a difference on a bear?

    THe largest thing I have is a 4 inch .357 mag... Guess I should of not sold my .480 Ruger... I need to get money together to buy a .500 smith.
     
  2. MURRAY

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    I would use the 357 with a 180 or 200 grain hardcast most times the BB wont be issue if it was I think 6 shots of HC could get it done
     

  3. HydraShok

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  4. Ak.Hiker

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    No need for a 500 for black bear protection. If you do buy a bigger handgun a properly loaded 44 Magnum would be plenty. I carry a 320 grain hardcast or 300 grain Sierra in mine when woods walking. Either of these two loads will shoot through 7- 8 inches of spruce. Good advice on the 4 inch 357 Magnum. Hardcast 180 to 200 grain loads have plenty of penetration for black bear. The Buffalo Bore 180 is a hot load. DT and Federal both load heavy hardcast 357's as well as CorBon. If you do carry the Glock 21 pick up several boxes of Buffalo Bore 230 grain FMJ flat points. These are listed at 950 and are a +P load. They are long on penetration. Check them for function of course. They have a similar profile to their 230 grain XTP. In a 45 ACP I would stay away from SD designed hollow points for a field load. If I was going to carry a HP it would be the 230 grain XTP +P or the CorBon 185 grain +P DPX.
     
  5. 481

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    Excellent advice, AK.

    While I've never been one to advocate the use of a service cartridge semi-auto against such critters, were I constrained to do so for whatever reason, yours is the recommendation that I would follow.

    Of course, should one hit the heavy bone inside even a smallish (150-200 pounds) bear "all bets are off".


    Good post. :cool:
     
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    Those are some nice loads alright. I like that .45ACP 255 gr. LFP @ 925 fps. Nice.

    Quite frankly, I consider my 'minimum' for bear to be my "iron sighted", 7.5 pound Winchester Model 70 Stainless Classic in .375H&H with its "belly" full of 300 gr. TSXs.

    Yeah, she kicks like the proverbial "mule", but she also gets the job done. :supergrin:
     
  7. crazyasian1

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    only if you hit him in the nards
     
  8. CanyonMan

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    Thats my minimum on coyotes ! :rofl:

    You got the 'kicks like a mule right'. I sighted one in for a guy once, that was just not wanting to co-operate. This was over a truck hood, I got a little tired of it after 10-12 rounds, and discovering he had a junk scope ! haha.


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  9. 481

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    10-12 rounds. Sounds 'bout right. Start gettin' "flinchy" after that. If I am stubborn enough to fire 20, well, that guarantees all manner of assorted "aches and pains" the following day.

    Coyotes must be HUGE in your neck of the woods. :supergrin:
     
  10. CanyonMan

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    Yeh, huge enough that any 22mag will easily take them down. ;)

    Frankly, I still like the old 35 remington /45-70 marlin levers with heavy hard cast bullets for bear and such. They seem to be out dated by most of todays hunters/woodsters, but they have served me well within 200 yds, and carry some very serious punch. (if loaded correctly of course). The 35 Remington is usually the every day saddle scabbard carry for a long gun. More serious caliber than has been given credit for. Lots of old boys in Canada and Alaska still getting their moose/elk with them. 444 Marlin, 35 remington, 45-70 levers have always 'for me' been some high on the list 'saddle rifles'. Most all my hunting sees the 7mm Rem Mag, and has most my life. But these levers here have been great game getters for me as well.

    Like AK, For a 'side arm,' I do loves the 44mag and heavy cast as 'my' minimum in really deep bruin country, and 'mostly' my beloved 45LC with Heavy Hard Cast. Probably a surprise to every one here, but thought I'd drop that in. :supergrin:



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  11. DaveA

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    While probably not the most accurate answer to the question, it sure made me laugh :tongueout:
     
  12. RMTactical

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    I've heard of Black Bears being dropped with less (.40) I am sure the G21 would do the trick.
     
  13. Free Radical

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    It depends a whole lot on where you hit.
    Frankly, I was a little surprised to hear the news reports about the Griz being dropped by a .45 in Denali. But, if it was a face shot I guess that's entirely possible.
    There are also accounts of guys that put 6 .44 Magnums into a griz and still wound up as bear scat.
    For my part, more is more. I ain't fishing, hiking, or whistling Dixie in brown bear country with anything less than a 12 ga. w/ slugs or a 45/70.
     
  14. 481

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    Bob,

    The MacPherson penetration model "numbers" for your edification:


    Buffalo Bore .45 ACP 230 gr. FMJFP (+P) @ 950 fps

    Vcav = 474.811 fps
    Mw = 59.376 grams (2.094 ounces)
    Xcm = 87.618 cm (34.495 inches)


    Buffalo Bore .45 ACP 255 gr. LFP (+P) @ 925 fps

    Vcav = 538.119 fps
    Mw = 60.716 grams (2.142 ounces)
    Xcm = 89.595 cm (35.274 inches)


    Similar loads, similar results. Barely a penny's worth of difference 'tween the two and either is a "day-ender".

    In keeping with the OP's question of whether or not a Glock 21 would "drop a black bear"; these loads are probably the best options in .45ACP if that is all that one has at their disposal. I'd likely trade the slight performance edge that the LFP has in favor of the FMJFP's jacketed exterior unless I could be absolutely certain that the LFP is a very hard alloy. (to guard against deformation)

    After that, it's all about shot placement and follow-up (and more appropriately) just plain ole dumb luck.


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  15. nelsone

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    Some of us don't like the idea of accelerated-aging our firearms with Buffalo Bore. Sure, I'd prefer a cannon in a face-off with a bear, but I won't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

    How's this for decent penetration in a load that you can fire and not tire:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=475521
    1000+ fps in a 230gr. .45ACP FMJ.
     
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  16. GunFighter45ACP

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    Yikes! Whenever possible, I like to keep things simple so unless these bears become more of a common sight out there, I'll just +1 on the BB 230gr flat points. If you start seeing them more & more, then I think that could justify getting something a little heavier for that specific task.
     
  17. .45Super-Man

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    I'd load up with .45 Super, just in case. Converting the G21 takes next to nothing.
     
  18. Dalton Wayne

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  19. Ak.Hiker

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    The DT 230 grain ball load is a good one as well. I have shot quite a few in my Glock 36. They are a little hotter than Speer Lawman or American Eagle 230 ball. They would be a good choice for the woods as well. I would take any major brand of 230 grain FMJ ball over a JHP as a field load in a 45 ACP in black bear country because of the better penetration.