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Will a Mossberg 505 pump 410 make a effective home defense shotgun??

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by New York Hunter, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. I have a Mossberg 505 Youth (12" LOP, 21" barrel) Pump Shotgun in 410. and a Remington 870 Jr. 20 ga. (12" LOP, 21" barrel). My wife didn't really like the recoil of the 20 ga. last time she shot it. However next time we go to the range we're going to bring both shotguns.

    If she can handle 10 to 15 practice rounds though the 20 ga., I'll work with her every few weeks so she can operate it in her sleep. However, if she can't take 10 to 15 round of 20 ga., I'd like to woork with her with the 410. How effective can a 410 be for a inside the house home defense shotgun gun with a maximun range of 30 FEET or so? What type of loads should I be looking to get for the 410? Can a 410 shotgun with a 21" barrel be effective within the short range she'll need to use it in?

    Thanks, NYH1!
  2. 17119jfkioe


    Apr 23, 2010

  3. aippi


    Jun 12, 2009
    Yes, it would be effective. If that is the weapon she can most effectively deploy then that is the one she should use. There are several kinds of shot loads that would be effective aslo. There is bucshot for the .410 as they simply stack the pellets in the shell.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2010
  4. method


    Mar 27, 2002
    Cleveland, OH
    Simple answer is actually yes, with slugs or buckshot. 20 gauge would be preferable, but the .410 would be plenty effective with said ammo at room distances.
  5. flagg


    Feb 23, 2009
    it's a shotgun. I think it would perform near perfect in any situation. even a 410

    if she's comfortable with it, then it's perfect!
  6. Jeepnik


    Mar 5, 2008
    Ahh, my favorite type of question. Simply put, yes. With either slugs or buck shot, it is more than sufficient. It, als has the advantage of very little recoil, which makes it great for smaller statured folks. The thing that amazes me is that folks will say a .38 spl is fine for HD, yet scoff at a .410. A slug from a .410 has more energy, and being soft lead will open up nicely. Oh by the way, deer have been taken with the .410.
  7. GlocknSpiehl

    GlocknSpiehl NRA Life Member Silver Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Miami, FL
    There is the new Winchester PDX 1 shotshell for .410 that has 3 copper disks and 10 copper BB's in it. It is marketed for the Taurus Judge, but might be ok for a home shotgun. I have a .410 Dbl Barrel and have fired lead slugs out of it. I think it would be adequate for HD.

    What's the old saying? "Better the .32 in your pocket than the .45 in your dresser"
  8. Thanks guys. Like I said, we're gonna take both to the range next time we go. Obviously I'd like her to be able to use the 20 ga. However, if it's still to much for her to handle and , I'd rather she get as comfortable with the 410 as possible. I'm going to try to get some light trap loads for the 20 ga. We'll see how that go's.
  9. Spiffums

    Spiffums I.C.P.

    Sep 30, 2006
    My 500 has a bad habit of wanting to kick out 2 shells from the tube when I work the slide fast. While its annoying when rabbit or squirrel hunting, I'd make sure yours didn't develop this problem before I trusted my life to it.
  10. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    It wouldn't be my first choice. But if it's what she can shoot.....find a good load. Look into low recoil rounds for the 20ga if they exist, and a good recoil pad.

    Either that or a good 9mm pistol.

    A guy up in Alaska apparently thought coyotes/wolves etc were messing around with his animals and went looking with a .410 one night. He ran into a bear and killed it with a headshot. He was exceedingly lucky not to end up as Bear Chow but the .410 "can" be lethal if you put it in the right spot.
  11. GlocknSpiehl

    GlocknSpiehl NRA Life Member Silver Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Miami, FL
    If you are trying out things with your wife, you may want to consider having a nice recoil absorber for her. You can get at Bass Pro those gel shoulder protectors for her to use. That way it doesn't feel like the shotgun is beating her up the 1st few times she fires it.

    It's the same principle as not letting a nervous newbi fire a 454 Casul as the 1st gun they ever shoot!
  12. 1 old 0311

    1 old 0311

    Jan 2, 2006
    Planet Earth
    Did you think of just using a recoil pad on he stock?
  13. And have her put the gel pad UNDER her bra strap. According the some of the women I have taught to shoot it makes a huge difference.
  14. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Jun 12, 2007
    I didn't see where you mentioned how much shooting experience she has or what type of ammo you were loading the 20 gage with the first time out. But I definitely like the idea of getting light skeet or trap loads for the 20 gage next time.

    Sounds like she's not an experienced shooter, and I don't know what kind of ammo you were using last time, but start her on the lightest 20 gage loads you can find. Unless she's unusually small she should be able to handle light 20 gage loads. Also be sure she has good hearing protection.

    She probably needs to learn to handle lighter loads, before moving on to magnum loads. If she learns to handle light loads well, that's find. She really doesn't need to fire a steady diet of magnum slug or buckshot loads all the time. If she ever has to use it for real, I doubt she'll notice the magnum loads.
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2010
  15. taurusfan


    Jul 31, 2010
    .410 is more than capable of stopping a Man sized target at 10yds. The new HD ammo (PDX) is good but at 10yds you should pattern it. At less than 30ft (avg personal defense shot is MUCH closer) Even #4 birdshot at factory loads (1200fps in bismuth) is going to be lethal to a person that isnt wearing heavy layered clothing especially when backed up by a 1/5th oz slug. The 20ga would be better, but, if she can quickly and confidently wield the .410 dont be afraid to use it.

    Also, mossberg markets a .410 model 500 as a Home Defender.
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2010
  16. Foxtrotx1


    Jan 29, 2010
    Scottsdale AZ
    Birdshot out of a 12 gauge at close range let alone a .410 has extremely questionable lethality. The tiny projectiles have very little momentum. you might get an inch of penetration.
  17. .410 is a wicked little HD weapon with the right loads...period. Personally, I really like the 3 pellets of 000 buckshot.
  18. Big A

    Big A Herr Trigger

    Jul 11, 2007
    Jacksonville FL
    As long as she knows where to put the shots on target then .410 should be plenty lethal...
  19. taurusfan


    Jul 31, 2010
    I have seen 3 close range (<8yds) shotgun GSW's (none were 12ga) 2 were fatal (one birdshot one buckshot), one was not (buckshot), but ended the threat. One of the fatal shots had the wad stuck in the victim's abdomen from a 20ga.

    Gauge has little to do with it. The greatest difference from gauge to gauge is the payload, many shells share velocities and since each bb is its own projectile the energy is the same. The lethality (of birdshot) comes from multiple pellet strikes in a confined area so a full or tighter choke would be preferred.

    Disclaimer: 3BUCK AND SLUGS WOULD BE BEST Additionally, I am not denying the fact that MANY sub gauge loads are lower powered. I am only saying that if you look around you can find similar load velocities/shot size.
  20. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Jun 12, 2007
    I haven't owned or shot a 410 in about 50 years. I had one way back then and I know there have been improvements in ammo today. But, far as I'm concerned, the 410 is the most useless shotgun ever made.

    That said, why don't you get some of the hottest 410 ammo you can find and compare the felt recoil from the hot 410 loads to the recoil from a light 20 load. Bet you won't feel much difference on your shoulder. In fact the hot 410 may hit you harder. JMO.