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why the GOP will cave in on the fiscal cliff...

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by cowboywannabe, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. juggy4711

    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    This has been years if not decades in the making. Its only recently that so many of us have realized it. Unfortunately it is still not enough of us not to be labeled as crazy folks.

    Its a shame the warnings have been here all along and so many of us refused to acknowledge it because we didn't like the way the message was delivered.
     
  2. Vic777

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    That's exactly why we should go over the cliff, let Obama own it all, it's going to be a real mess in Four Years, let Obama own it!
     


  3. maxsnafu

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    Some of us realized this a long time ago. Our warnings were ignored NOT because of "the way the message was delivered" but because people didn't want to hear the bad news.
     
  4. G19G20

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    They're not inept. The GOP House wants the added revenues as much as the Democrats do. The GOP hasn't done a single thing of note in the last 12 years to make anyone think that the GOP wants to cut spending and restore fiscal sanity. It's all kabuki theater to make the rank-and-file think the GOP leadership is actually fighting it. Obama will get what he wants because what he wants is also what the GOP leadership wants. More money to spend on their special interest owners and pet projects.

    Bingo. You win the nets. I know exactly what you're talking about here. It'll be shrugged off by the peanut gallery though.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2012
  5. JohnH

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    That pretty much sums it up. I like your sig line also. The anybody-but-Obama crowd are nothing but low tax Democrats and keeping the status quo.
     
  6. juggy4711

    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    That is an excellent distinction. I suppose blaming the delivery is just an excuse.
     
  7. QNman

    QNman resU deretsigeR Silver Member

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    I get where you're coming from, except that the fiscal cliff isn't just about tax cuts. The fiscal cliff is when the borrowing matches the approved "ceiling" and no more may be borrowed. The tax cuts are a bargaining chip, always have been, always will be.

    The Republicans will cave because they're spineless cowards. They know the day we hit the wall, and the day our credit is downgraded further, they will have Democrat fingers pointing at them. And since they clearly don't have the first clue how to play offense, they will cave.
     
  8. QNman

    QNman resU deretsigeR Silver Member

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    When (not if) we "go over the cliff", there will NOT be a "brief" recession... it will hurt, and likely last a few years. But postponing it as Congress is now doing is just worsening, deepening and prolonging that inevitable pain.
     
  9. QNman

    QNman resU deretsigeR Silver Member

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    They should... but they won't. They will pander and cave because that's what the majority of them do. Just as they did two years ago.
     
  10. ModGlock17

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    No admin., R or D, has ever shrink the Gov't.

    This fiscal cliff is the only tool to shrink US Gov't. Let it happen.
     
  11. Why.........why, doesn't the GOP embrace Simpson/Bowles and stick to it. It was Zero's own committee, bipartisan as is possible, pretty decent in its findings. It is the best chance to salvage some "face".
     
  12. Michael Rye

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    It frankly doesn't matter what the GOP does.

    If we go over the cliff, the spin is going to be that the GOP cares only about the rich and to hell with the middle class...

    If the GOP allows taxes to go up on the top two percent, the official spin will be that the GOP *finally* gets it, and that it was irresponsible to have allowed the rich to have paid so little for so long.

    The Dems and the media are going to spin it this way...and either way their darling Obama will be made out to be the hero.
     
  13. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    :rofl::rofl: im afraid thats about how its going to go.
     
  14. You never win being on the defensive............until the repubs figure out how to take the offensive and change the game, they will continue to lose.
    I am growing very weary of the whole cliff thing, it is already over, either way.
     
  15. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    y2k, didnt happen, obama rioters, didnt happen, fiscal cliff, wont happen.
     
  16. ModGlock17

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    It's been an excellent and successful maneuver to blame the waiters for the cook's incompetence.


    Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
     
  17. BORNGEARHEAD

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    :wavey:
     
  18. PaulMason

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    In the big picture 'The Cliff' doesn't mean anything. The USA has passed the point of no return on the debt and deficit. The hearts and minds of most people and the media aren't focusing on the debt/deficit. They are focusing on the 'tax the rich' which is small change.
     
  19. snerd

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    How did Reagan do it? By portraying the dems as "tax and spend, tax and spend, they never met a tax they didn't like, there you go again." Or something like that. We never hear anything approaching this from the conservatives on the hill. They need to figure out how to "make" the media listen and quit trying to play nice.