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why the GOP will cave in on the fiscal cliff...

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by cowboywannabe, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    if the GOP doesnt cave in to obama before the fiscal cliff, they will look like the bad guys because...............

    fiscal cliff happens......all tax rates go up, then obama looks like a hero by giving a new tax break to the middle class.

    no cuts in the welfare roll and it will continue to drain the nation.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
  2. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Dec 27, 2011
    And who will they look bad to?

    A mass of leeches, statists and illegals? Some diehard, confused democrats?

    The change that needs to take place is a revolutionary one. Let the cliff happen, let the economy tank. When the entitlements dry up and the federal monetary system fails, the wake up begins.

    Flame on, haters.

  3. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    you dont get it, obama will win....clif occures, taxes go up, he then cuts taxes for the middle class only like he wanted to before.....taxes will stay up for the upper class.

    no economic tanking....

    the GOP will look inept, again. powerless before the cliff and powerless after the cliff that obama fixed alone.
  4. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Dec 27, 2011
    I get what your point is. But there will be an eventual tanking. Within the next few years.

    This is a pivotal point and what does the GOP have to loose? They cant get re-elected with the teat sucking class voting.
  5. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Dec 27, 2011

    If the republican congress had balls they would stop this. Congress controls the purse strings.
  6. maxsnafu


    Dec 29, 2006
    If there is to be an eventual tanking--and I think you're right, there will be--why fight it?
  7. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Dec 27, 2011
  8. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Dec 27, 2011
    I will bow out. To allow the natural progression of this debate.
  9. Ruble Noon

    Ruble Noon "Cracker"

    Feb 18, 2009
    Thread title should read, why the Whig party will cave on the fiscal cliff.
  10. Kablam


    Jan 12, 2005
    The GOP IS inept. They can't seem to put conservative candidates in front of the voters, and they can't seem to figure out how to deal with the democrat Pravda MSM. Doesn't matter what the GOP does. If they couldn't beat Obama this time, they have proven to be completely impotent. Time to let the deal collapse I guess. I see no way to beat the socialists until we're ruined as a nation and society...and then hope we can pick up the pieces in a positive way (doubtful...usually doesn't happen that way if history is any indication). So whether they cave or not makes no difference...the democrats will win and most likely get what they want.
  11. IvanVic


    Apr 19, 2012
    They'll win on this issue because the majority of the country envies the rich. Polls show this mentality is true for a large number of registered republicans, too. It's going to be a losing issue for them simply because the left has most of the population on their side when it comes to that issue.

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  12. Atlas

    Atlas transmogrifier

    Oct 1, 2001
    north of the equator
    The majority today envies what they themselves are not capable of producing.
    It's typical of a degenerating society.
  13. Chronos


    Nov 26, 2007
    Obama probably feels he can't lose. Either

    A) He gets everything he wants


    B) He gets to blame the godawful economy in 2013 (coming regardless of what happens) on a "dysfunctional congress," and uses this as the rhetorical basis for power grabs and plans for hyper-aggressive economic intervention in his second term.
  14. aircarver

    aircarver Ride Continues Silver Member

    Republicans should, at minimum, not let the commie-crats say that this debacle was 'bi-partisan' ....:steamed:

  15. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    this is more true than most will admit.
  16. evlbruce


    Nov 3, 2003
    Now that he won reelection President 0 can drop all pretense about helping the economy. It's more important to reward 0 voters and to destroy the opposition is than to better the nation.


    Mar 3, 2010
    It's simply a made-for-tv drama. I believe that there will be no compromise. I believe that Obamas tax cuts are the plan. That way everything gets pushed through and we all sit and blame each side. Brilliant.
  18. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

    Sep 20, 2009
    The Left Coast
    They look inept because they are inept. The GOP will cave into Obama's demands, because that's what self-serving politicians do.
  19. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    all they can do is cave in to grow the welfare roll, cut national defense, raise taxes on the well to do, decrease industry growth.

    or they can stand firm and watch obama "save" us from the cliff by cutting the new taxes on the middle class while government grows and industry shrinks....

    obama has no reason to care about the economy, no reason to care about businesses creating jobs....all he cares about doing is raising taxes on the successfull, keeping the welfare folks on the plantation, and spitting on the tea party.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
  20. EOS


    May 30, 2012
    Central Kentucky
    we need to go over the cliff, after a brief recession we'd start seeing improvements in the economy. But that wont happen, theyll make a deal that makes them look good and kick the can down the road once more. Until the day comes when they kick the can against a wall and are forced to pick it up. China figures out we can never pay them back as theyre arent even 16 trillion dollars in existence. We either default on the debt, (the ramifications of that is anyones guess.) or we simply print it out of thin air to pay the debt causing hyperinflation and it takes a dufflebag full of bills to buy a pack of gum. Either way a crisis is coming and hopefully we can restructure and revamp without society collapsing, even though civil unrest is almost certain when welfare and social security stops coming. Hopefully in the meantime the people can be educated about the scurge that is the Federal Reserve and when the crisis and subsequent revamping occurs, the problem will be brought to light