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Why such a big price difference.. GLOCK/Sig etc..

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by AlaJack, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. firstg19

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    They are all great guns. If someone is telling you they are not, then they probably don't own one of each. I have never had a problem with any of them except a glock 34. And for the guy who says something about not shooting walmart ammo in new glocks...why shouldn't you be able to, when i can shoot it in all my gen3 glocks, my sigs, hks, rugers, and springfields and it works perfectly fine. Perhaps the new thing is to pay more for a Sig or HK, for the simple fact you don't get brass to the face. By the time its all said and done, I'll have more in my g34 then I spent on my sigs or hks.
     
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  2. LawScholar

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    I really do like Glocks. I think they're mostly trustworthy, tough guns and will serve their owners well and faithfully. They're quality guns.

    But it's a big mistake to get so caught up in brand myopia that you deny yourself the undeniable quality, engineering skill, and raw sexy factor found in many non-Glock pistols, even those that cost a bit more.

    Grab a Beretta 92 Inox, a Sig 229 Elite Stainless, or an HK P7. Tell me you feel nothing. Tell me it's not worth extra money, even if it's not for you.

    I shall call you a liar. :)
     


  3. johnnywitt

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    The German manufactured Walther PPQ has them ALL beat right now IMO. Its a better HK than HK can make. Its an HK with a perfect trigger. Too bad you can't find one though.:crying:
    It was S&W (the importer) that kept the lid on the Walther PPQ because the Walther was so far ahead of the M&P its not even funny & S&W knew that the Walther PPQ would eat their lunch if Folks found out just how good a PPQ really is.
    Now that Walther has a headquarters in Fort Smith Arkansas you are going to see Walthers take the hell off- especially once the word starts to get out. I just hope they keep building them in Germany.

    I sure like a Glock 19 though, it just works for me in about every way. A Glock 19 is hard act to follow in a compact pistol: it just gets about everything right, but it doesn't fit everybody-thats for sure. Now, maybe the Folks that just can't fit a Glock will have something else that is, honestly, more advanced than any other polymer striker fire pistol out there. I think Glock just got served by Walther.
     
  4. Vtwinpw

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    Biggest load of crap I have ever seen posted on a gun forum.
     
  5. Tiro Fijo

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    Not true. S&W did what Walther PAID them to do and nothing more. Walther is a very small co. who has never spent a lot of money on advertising and quite frankly they are now having birthing pains as their new facility has no guns & no parts and they are hoping for such by no later than the end of the 1st quarter. Walther was beyond sluggish in supporting S&W with parts for repairs. S&W will still manufacture the PPK for Walther however using Pinetree cast frames (Ruger).
     
  6. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    I've got a W. German Sig P226 I bought in 1988, and a newly purchased Sig P226R, I just bought. The trigger pulls, action, and quality seems equal in both, as far as I can tell.
     
  7. LampShadeActual

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    it's a big mistake to get so caught up in brand myopia that you deny yourself the undeniable quality, engineering skill, and raw sexy factor found in many non-Glock pistols, even those that cost a bit more.

    Now that is a good one.

    My idea of "raw sexy factor" starts with an AR-15, not some pop gun.

    A handgun is simply what you use to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never let be so far out of reach in the first place.
     
  8. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    Well, that's fine for the people who never have to go anywhere they can't take a rifle with them. Not all of us have that luxury.
     
  9. bac1023

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    :upeyes:

    I must say that you're just way too tactical for me.

    Maybe I'll be as cool as you are someday, but right now I still don't carry an AR-15 in my car every day.
     
  10. 2-8 Marine

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    Those who have no valid argument resort to personal
    attacks.
     
  11. 2-8 Marine

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    I agree, I have a Sig P228 (German) manufactured in the early 90s and a P239 made about 3 years ago and the trigger pull, action and quality are very close.
     
  12. LawScholar

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    See, I just like a well-engineered firearm, I don't discriminate. :)

    For my money, a Browning Hi-Power with good blue finish and quality wood grips is to even the fanciest AR-15 what Mila Kunis is to that fat chick from Bridesmaids. And I say that having a fancy Daniel Defense AR that I love

    Also, not to lecture, but if you're referring to firearms as "pop guns" you're probably not giving them the respect they're due. Those pop guns will kill you in a heartbeat if you don't take them seriously, safety-wise.
     
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  13. Browner

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    I saw a Sig 938 9mm at a store last week. I was wondering if anyone has had one, or shot one? I was thinking about getting one. Ron
     
  14. LampShadeActual

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    I have not yet figured out how to get an AR-15 into my cargo shorts front pants pocket no matter how hard I try for three seasons tucked in T-Shirt weather.

    I have carried and been paid to use S&W, Glock, Colt, SIG, and HK guns ever since 1975 and occasionally snuck a Walther or Beretta in here and there as needed. Nothing is superior to a Glock for simply going bang and hitting your target with no firearms related fuss.

    As to a pocket gun, Kahr, Taurus, KelTec, and Diamondback products have been tried and passed to the junk pile as unreliable. My S&W M&P 340 .357 with Speer GD 135+P loads gets the nod whenever a Glock doesn't find a belt holster to ride on. They both go bang every time.

    As to the AR-15, I'm only half joking. Surprise, time, and distance keep you alive. Anything other than nailing the threat from surprise from the longest possible distance away taking all the time you need means you are in the threats environment playing his game. Odds being what odds are and Mr. Murphy being closely related to Mrs. Murphy who is a cold be'ach, playing someone else's game means you lose sometimes.

    No body in their right mind faced off in the street in Tombstone with pistols. They shot the threat in the back with a rifle as he rode into town. Dry Gulching means careful survivorship.
     
  15. iflyem1

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    I agree. I have a Glock, Sig and H&K and you can tell that the Glock is the cheapest to produce due to having less machined parts and less parts in total. I have never had a problem with either of my guns and they are all quality pieces. I guess they are like women, some just cost more than others!:wow:
     
  16. grecco

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    why cant glock get a polymer frame right?
    why the pig nose, what purpose does it serve?
     
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  17. AgentM79

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    If I had to pick another brand of service weapon over Glock, it would absolutely be the Sig. I like the DA/SA transition offered by the Sig, as well as the location of the frame-mounted de-cocking lever. The Sig P220 I own shoots tight groups and operates flawlessly with whatever factory ammo I shoot through it. The precision manufacture of these guns is what you pay for, and the W.German made guns (in particular) tend to hold their value well.

    I was once a Beretta guy, but found the lousy first-shot DA pull and slide-mounted de-cocker (G-variant) were a detriment to my best shooting. S&W Gen3's had the same slide-mounted lever issue, but a good DA (and even DAO) trigger pull. However, the S&W's had durability issues (the trigger play spring and fitted extractor being the Achilles heel of the design).

    I carry a Glock on duty, and use the Sig as a range gun for a change of pace. My "M-glove-size" hands don't do well with .45ACP Glock pistols, so the Sig is my .45ACP platform. Yes, I know that the carbon-steel slide of the Sig can corrode if I expose it to the elements (abuse that a Glock would shrug off). I also know that Sig doesn't recommend sustained use of "+P" in the older P220's (a capability Glock shooters take for granted). The Sig bore axis doesn't phase me in the least, and, again, I enjoy my Sig for it's precision.

    Metal-framed guns with lots of parts tend to cost more than polymer-framed pistols with a low parts-count. Sigs cost more than Glocks. I love both!!
     
  18. AustinTx

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    It's too bad that S&W isn't still making the old steel DA/SA pistols. When the English firm owned the company, they made a lot of neat steel auto pistols. You could order a custom gun, from the ordinary catalog, until they messed up the whole company. I'm just not gonna like the SIG, so that pretty well narrows it down to CZ, I think. Does S&W still make any of their old steel autos, not custom shop deals?
     
  19. bac1023

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    Smith does. not build any steel autos except for 1911s, other than the Performance Center. I think they still build the 41 in the Performance Center.
     
  20. AgentM79

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    Categorically untrue. As of now, S&W is still making their Gen3 metal frame guns for LE contract orders. The guns are made at their facility in Houlton, Maine (where they also make their excellent handcuffs). I'm from NY, and the 3914DAO and 5946 are still made for NYPD. The local gun stores stock the 3914DAO's for NYPD off-duty purchase. I've also seen new-manufacture 6946's available for local sale (also used here in NY, by NYC Corrections). Also, about a year ago S&W announced a contract sale of metal-framed .45ACP's (I don't recall which model) for a Police agency which wanted to continue the use of these guns. If you REALLY want a metal-framed S&W, certain models can still be had. You'll pay a Sig Sauer price, though.