Why I religiously believe in science.

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  1. Gunhaver

    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    That's right about where I landed. I'm curious to know what a Marxist socialist communist lazy welfare queen you think I am?
     

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  2. Yeah... I need to go back to that.
     

  3. Cavalry Doc

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    Of course, I pointed out where her marijuana use may have led to her gastroparesis, and subsequent cyclic vomiting syndrome with links to medical literature.

    But you haven't come back there.

    From most of us that are paying our own bills, looks like you want us to pay for your GF's self inflicted injury.

    Care to guess what my sympathy level is for self inflicted injury?

    Ask her PCP if a couple of months off of all Marijuana and marijuana related products would not be a good thing to try. Since it's safe, healthy, and not addictive, a couple of months should be no problem at all....... right??
     
  4. Cavalry Doc

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    It's a soft on, trust me. Don't whine, just don't mind when you say stuff, and people remember what you said before.

    GH, you are a very special kind of guy, in a short bus kind of way. You have been so deceitful, and CF and others have pointed it out to all around here.

    It would not have been possible without your help. Think about that.

    Either of you want a wheel of cheese to go with that whine?
     
  5. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    What you don't understand is that you are asking for liberties that you are not willing to offer to others. You are demanding their money, and not offering any of your own. You are are demanding that they take responsibility for your girlfriends condition (which may very well be self inflicted) and not offering to take responsibility for it yourself, when you probably picked up her pot for her on occasion.

    You want what you cannot make for yourself. So you pretend it is right to demand what you want from others, and still think that it a pro-liberty position.

    That's rich dude. You must be getting some real good stuff. [​IMG]Stay out of trouble though. Last I heard, that stuff ain't legal where you are.
     
  6. Gunhaver

    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    Look up idiopathic gastroparesis because it is indeed rare unless you want to claim that a simple PA is going to school us on a problem that it's exceedingly difficult to find a doctor that knows anything about it. And she never liked pot at all until the IGP started being a problem for her. Had a husband that smoked it too much and that set her sour on the stuff. It took some convincing to get her to try it and only some strains give her the effect she's looking for (hence the trip to find some of those strains as well as look into moving to a place where it's not illegal for medical use).

    You know Doc, I'd think after your years of medical service you'd know better than to try to use something like this as ammo against me. You're a real piece of work and a real POS.

    I just lost any interest in ever engaging you in debate or conversation again. Now go tell all your buddies that you finally beat me and how. Back to the ignore list you go for good.
     
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  7. Cavalry Doc

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    Did I mention that I have worked in Gastroenterology for the last 6.5 years. I'm the guy that your Primary Care Physician would send your GF too when he ran out of things to try. I have dozens of patients with gastroparesis, and 4 with idiopathic gastroparesis. It's not that rare.

    So, putting everything else I don't like about you aside for the moment, realize that the weed may be the problem, or it can make it worse. It might make her feel better when it is in her system, but be exacerbating the problem overall. It's well known that MJ slows gastric motility. And over time, a paradoxical cyclic vomiting syndrome can occur.

    Disclaimer: Never follow medical advice given on the internet without first checking with THE PATIENT'S primary care provider and/or specialty providers first.

    Options are limited. dietary changes can help, and often are the only thing that works very well. There are meds, but they don't work too well, and some have horrendous side effects. I know of one young lady that has had a very severe facial spasm for a couple of years after stopping reglan. She doesn't go out much anymore because of it. I don't prescribe or recommend regular use of reglan. Gastric neurostimulators (also called gastric pacemakers) are out there, only a few surgeons in larger cities do the procedure, and they are hit or miss too. They work for some, and not for others. All the risks associated with surgery and perforation exist, so that is reserved for people that are well aware of the risks, and that have already tried everything else.

    It's her life. Be sure to understand and explore all treatment options very well, and make informed decisions in conjunction with a professional.

    I wish her luck.
     
  8. You would think someone in the medical field would understand the benefits of using natural medicinal plants to help improve someone's quality of life.

    I am finding more and more that the human body is capable of healing itself if you give it the right elements from nature. The reason many of us are sick and need a "pill for every ill" is because we don't avail ourselves of what nature has to offer.

    You might want to look into juicing if your girlfriend has trouble eating certain things. I just bought a Breville Elite a few months back and am able to eat mountains of fruits and vegetables in just a few 24 ounce glasses a day. It'll make you feel like crap for about 6 days while you detox... but after that you'll feel like superman. You might find some natural juice combos that help your girlfriend. And if I'm not mistaken... liquids spend less time in the stomach than do solids and are FAR easier to absorb and break down for nutrients.
     
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  9. Cavalry Doc

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    Do consider that herbals have many different chemicals. All natural does not always = healthy. Hemlock, belladonna, rattlesnake venom, all natural. Sure, many herbal remedies work very well. In Germany, my first permanent duty station I worked with a local national pharmacist. There, pharmaceuticals and herbal remedies are both seen equally as medicines.

    One red flag, when you see one herbal medication that is supposed to treat a multitude of illnesses with wildly varying etiologies, you should be thinking of a snake oil salesman.

    There is no panacea.
     

  10. Honestly, I haven't researched your posts enough to know.

    I'm in favor of social safety nets, but I agree that they need to be monitored very carefully to help prevent abuse. Are we doing a good job of that currently? I don't think so. Do I think we should do away with them altogether? Absolutely not.

    I have no problem with Federal marriage laws, other than they currently discriminate based solely on the sex of the two parties attempting to enter into contract. The last I checked, sex was a protected class. Would I rather see legal marriage abolished than keep it status quo? Perhaps - although that would necessarily trigger a bunch more legislation regarding property/medical/child responsibility/etc, which means bigger government (which I'm not in favor of).

    I think marijuana should be legalized.

    I see no reason to enact any new "gun control" legislation.

    I think abortion should be the choice of the mother/parents.

    I have no problems with raising taxes to resolve our nation's debt, but feel spending needs to be cut to a greater degree than the taxation rate raises.

    Blah, blah, blah. You get the idea, I hope.

    This is all discussion for the political forum, however.
     
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  11. Gunhaver

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    If PA believed in evolution more than 95% then he might understand what all those cannabinoid receptors are doing in the human GI tract. Or maybe god put them there. Either way, there they are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

    Good advice on the juicer. I'm kind of a fruit bat myself so I think we'll give that a try. Edit: Dang, I just checked out the Breville Elite. I might have to stave off my reloading press for that.
     
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  12. Gunhaver

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    We're pretty eye to eye so far.
     
  13. Yeah, I don't know how many Elites they make but the 800JEXL was the one I found to be the best overall rated the best. You can toss a whole apple in the damn thing without having to cut it or core it. Just pull of the stem and toss it in.

    There are Juice recipes for just about anything. But I highly recommend the green juice recipes. (kale, spinach, chard, parsley, seaweed, cucumber, celery, ginger, and then add lime, green apple, and pear to sweeten it up a bit.) It'll detox you and give you so many vitamins and minerals you'll feel 20 again.

    It's like drinking pure energy. I have one for lunch and one after my work out (when your body is most receptive to nutrients) It's way better for you than cooked veggies. Also look into Spirulina... great natural source of protein that isn't as hard as meat to break down (For those with stomach issues).

    Easy on the kale and seaweed though for those with sensitive stomachs. They can be a bit rough.

    If you have a smartphone... there are apps with recipes and breakdowns by what the juice recipe is for (Energy, metabolism, ect)... real handy when shopping for ingredients at the store. Pretty much tells you everything you need to pick up.

    Oh and don't add hemlock or rattle snake venom to your recipes. I don't think your stupid as someone else apparently does. But there is an on going resistance from the medical field to health via nutrition... takes money out of their pocket. They like to sell pills.
     
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  14. Cavalry Doc

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    You understand that all a receptor site means is that a chemical will have an effect there. Not whether it will end well. Activate too many of a lot of different kinds of receptors, and that could end in a situation incompatible with life.

    But, hey, everyone has a right to take or discard advice. Kind of a late comer to juicing. That's usually one of the first things mentioned in a gastroparesis diet. Makes me wonder what other Lifestyle changes have not been tried.



    Do you really believe that there is a symbiotic relationship between humans and weed, and the receptor sites are evidence of that?
     
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  15. No new laws would be needed, but we'd probably need to eliminate some laws we already have.

    Government is almost always the problem, not the solution.
     
  16. Blast

    Blast 'nuff said

    For once a sensible post.:faint:
    I have long been an advocate of nutrition and herbal supplements for enhancing health.

    Those interested can do some research here.
    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/


    Nutrition and herbs are no substitute for professonal medical help for serious conditions. However, they are suitable for minor ailments and some serious conditions can be prevented by nutrition and herbs.
     
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  17. You don't think new legislation would be needed? How do we legally divide property or child responsibility, then? What about medical decisions? The right not to be forced to testify against your spouse? Any of the 1400+ legal rights/benefits/protections that are automatically conferred upon legal marriage? These would all seemingly need to be addressed. This is why I'm not firmly aboard the "just get government out of marriage, period" train.

    The easiest solution seems to be to simply allow access to the marriage laws of this country to all consenting adults. You know, I think there is something about equal access to/protection under the law in the Constitution..... :dunno:
     
    #97 hooligan74, Jan 17, 2013
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  18. Thanks, I'll give it a look see.


    I agree that people should often consult their Primary Care Physician. However I'm learning that the human body has an impressive ability to heal itself of all but the worst illnesses when you give it the tools it needs via good healthy nutrition. Most of the crap we buy in boxes and bags at the grocery store and most certainly anything you buy at an average restaurant or fast food box is nothing but enriched white flower, high fructose corn syrup, granulated sugar, MSG, and a arsenal of oils, fats, and preservatives that poison the body. People eat a mountain of food that has zero nutritional value. To use a very accurate quote "We're over fed but starving to death." Even "Diet" food is bad for you.

    They aren't definitive proof of anything but I found them interesting to watch and full of great information. If you have netflix or the like... "Food Matters" and "Hungry for Change" are two great films about the benefits of eating raw fruits and vegetables.
     
  19. Private contract. That wouldn't do anything about testifying against your spouse though.

    I'm wondering about those 1400 "rights", I bet most are the use of government force where none is needed.
     

  20. Sorry, I stand corrected - 1138 rights/benefits/protections.

    http://people.howstuffworks.com/marriage1.htm

    You really think people are going to be in favor of having to go through the all the legal hoops and expenses to accomplish all of the same things that a simple marriage license handles?

    You give society a lot more credit than I do, if so.
     

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