Why I religiously believe in science.

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  1. Cavalry Doc

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    Slightly different labels, only a change in the noun and adjective, same words, and we would be in almost total agreement.

    Close enough for all practical purposes. :cheers:
     

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  2. You are right, my mistake. Lets say they display their license, with a sign next to it explaining that it has been revoked and why.

    I will answer this question, but only after you answer the question I've been trying to get you to answer.

    But it is a voluntary exchange. I said fraud should be illegal. If a patient wants to take a chance on medical care by someone less qualified, that is their choice.

    I didn't take the time to fully explain this point, because I didn't know if it would be necessary.

    Choosing business A over business B does harm business B, but that is not what I'm talking about. I mean directly harm, in a non-voluntary situation.

    I said fraud should be illegal.

    In a free market, business that make these serious mistakes would fail very quickly.

    I disagree.

    Are you under the impression that regulation doesn't kill anyone?

    I know. I've said many times both here and in GTPI that I'm libertarian almost to the point of being anarchist.

    No. I do believe in laws on age of consent. Children many times do not understand the consequences of decisions that they make.
     

  3. Hey no problem man, I misread one of your posts and was trying to figure out if you were calling me a troll.

    I read "several troll posts" as "several trolls post" and got mixed up.
     
  4. What is another word for supernatural? I think magic fits, no? The idea of "God" certainly seems supernatural to me. An omnipotent, omnipresent being that created everything around us. Sounds pretty magical to me.

    Science couldn't explain why we got sick if we didn't wash our hands after we pooped, once upon a time. It didn't mean that "God" was mad at us for something.

    So, we're right back to my original point - just because science can't explain something *yet* doesn't mean that "God" did it.
     
  5. Woofie

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    Leave me out of this, jackhole. I can't be held responsible for my own action of posting in this thread yet again.:rofl:
     
  6. Man I love GTRI.

    Maybe as much as they like hockey in Canada. :rofl:
     
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  8. Cavalry Doc

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    Just something to think about. But if a deity did create life, the heavens and earth etc, wouldn't that have been the nature of reality, not really supernatural? Maybe beyond comprehension of the folks at the time, but not outside the boundaries of the rules of physics and the law of nature. I think a lot of people get stuck on the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient criteria.

    Maybe a "creator" wasn't all powerful, but just really smart with cool toys, maybe even mortal.
     
  9. As you said earlier, disbelief is active, lack of belief is passive. To me, agnostic atheism means a lack of belief. Gnostic atheism would be active disbelief. A subtle difference, but as you said, an important one.
     
  10. Cavalry Doc

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    An agnostic atheist and an atheistic agnostic are different, but about as close as we are likely to get. Just different ways of looking at it. No graphical representation is likely to fit every combination of belief and personal surety of that belief.
     
  11. Depends on the definition of "natural", I guess. Beyond the bounds of what we currently understand as the natural world? Yes, absolutely. If it actually happened, that makes it not outside the bounds of nature, I suppose.


    Those are very central characteristics to the commonly accepted definition of "God", though. If you throw those out, you are essentially now talking about some other creator or creative force.

    Again, if this is true, that's not "God" or gods in the commonly accepted sense.
     

  12. Can you explain the differences? I'm not sure I'm picking them up.
     
  13. They are both nouns, neither are adjectives.
     
  14. It's ok. It's a thought experiment to get him to think about the consequences of the things he advocates. I have every intention of following it to a conclusion, even if we go on a detour.
     

  15. A lot of theists, especially Christians, feel differently. Case in point:


     
  16. Cavalry Doc

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    Sorta depends on how you use them. I'm being admittedly agnostocentric [sic] though.
     
  17. Cavalry Doc

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    OK, but I understand that there are different ways to look at this. You've seen the two dimensional graph that has belief and knowledge as perpendicularly related concepts. I disagree with that. I see belief and knowledge as a slightly oblique, almost parallel relationship. It may be possible to know some things, but events that happened prior to the first living cell on the planet weren't witnessed by any of us, and no detailed record exists that describes it well. So on the question of whether or not there is a deity, I doubt that many, if any really know. I think a lot of people have belief. So I look at it in a linear fashion. Three main categories, Atheist, Agnostic, and Theist. In between agnostic and the other two would still be an agnostic with tendencies of the other one. I see someone that is really not sure there is a god, but is fairly sure there isn't one, as an atheistic agnostic. An agnostic atheist doesn't make as much sense to me, because the atheist has decided on what to believe.

    It makes more sense to me that way, not to others. There may be a tendency to focus on ourselves. An atheist might just naturally believe that agnostics are atheists too. A theist might believe that agnostics and atheists are both heathens and lump them together too. But to me, I see a distinction between agnostic and atheist, especially for the more militant ones.
     
  18. Cavalry Doc

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    There are no shortages of opinions around here. :wavey:
     
  19. That's my point actually. 2 possibilities. No answers. Those rejecting supernatural are closed minded.

    And I'm not even talking about how life started. I'm more focuses on how it is started every day
     

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