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Why do LEOs assume that OCers are criminals? I don't understand.

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by SCmasterblaster, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

    Sep 24, 1999
    Hartford, Vermont
    Why do LEOs assume that OCers are criminals? I don't understand.
  2. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    I split this off from another thread so it could receive proper exposure and to keep from derailing the other thread.

  3. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    Who says they do? From what I see, most OC stops are caused by citizens calling in "man with a gun". They have to check it out.

    When you get pulled over for speeding, aren't they also "assuming" the possibility that you may pull out a gun and kill them?
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  4. Chris Chris

    Chris Chris

    Jul 2, 2010
    Is it possible that the attitude of the OCer could play a role? It seems to me that some OCers are passionate about their right to carry OC, and confrontational in a verbal, but non-violent way, when a LEO simply stops them and asks what they are doing.

    Might a person openly displaying a gun on their hip, and expressing the attitude that many (but not all) OCers seem to have... color that LEO's opinion of things?

    Think of it from the position of the officer who has to address an unknown person who has an openly displayed/holstered handgun.
  5. Remington 870

    Remington 870

    Feb 29, 2012
    Plain and simple if you arent in a police uniform you have no known character of not being a good guy to the general public. most people asume all cops are good guys. and a uniform puts people at ease that arent used to seeing a (gun) out in the open. to most people primaraly in the northeast to see a person wearing a gun out in the open it intimadates them. just my take.
  6. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    I'm not sure putting you in a police uniform makes you have a "known" character. There's plenty of bad apples out there in all professions, including LE.

    That said... When an open carrier acts like a criminal (ie.. "Am I being detained", starts quoting the constitution, etc..)... it's obviously going to make most officers think something is up.
  7. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Incirlik AB

    Jan 13, 2006
    Many in LE believe that only LE should carry weapons.
  8. Chris Chris

    Chris Chris

    Jul 2, 2010
    I don't believe that is a correct statement... maybe your assumption. And, much might depend upon where in the US you live as to what the local LEO attitudes are. But, as a blanket statement I think it is a bit irresponsible.

    If you have any .. valid... documentation to support that statement, please share it with us.
  9. jbglock

    jbglock Manos Arriba

    Aug 18, 2012
    I'm an leo and I DON'T assume an open carrier is a criminal. I know of no criminal that would open carry actually. Now I've seen (never run into one myself) some of the OC rights videos and would assume someone acting the way these nuts do is a criminal. The normal people I wouldn't. As has been said we have to investigate things reported. Don't act like some nut and it will be over quickly. It's not like I want to waste a lot of time on something that isn't even illegal (unless certain things have happened) in my state.
  10. eb07

    eb07 Sharkin'

    Feb 19, 2010
    Third Rock From the Sun

    Why are there no man with a book calls?
  11. writwing


    Jan 23, 2008
  12. writwing


    Jan 23, 2008
    WHAT!!!! If you ask why you being detained you are acting like a criminal????

    You have no understanding of what the US Constitution and BOR is about. Get you money back from your history teachers.
  13. dukeblue91


    Sep 6, 2012
    Raleigh, NC
    I never had a problem open carry my guns.
    I have been looked at funny but nothing else.
    Maybe it depends on where you live.
  14. Nine Shooter

    Nine Shooter Average Guy

    Apr 25, 2008
    I don't. Honestly I think its a pretty broad generalization to think we do. I will admit though, I've met quite a few colleagues that are uncomfortable with it.

    In my personal opinion, I don't think this is because they believe guns should be out of the hands of everyone except for LE, but rather because we have training that instills in us weapon=threat. We also deal with quite a few people who some pretty tragic and irresponsible things with firearms.

    Criminals typically do not open carry. If a felon has a firearm the last thing he wants to do is display it where law enforcement can see until he is using it in the commission of a crime.

    When I see an open carrier in a larger city or urban area, I see someone who is drawing unnecessary attention to themselves, defeating the ultimate first intent of self defense, to blend in, go unnoticed. There is a difference between making a statement and seeking attention.

    A lot of the interactions law enforcement have with open carriers are because we get dispatched to contact them because non-gun citizens are "alarmed" by simply seeing a man w/a gun.

    I've driven by my fair share of people open carrying and noticed quite a few glances in my direction like they expect or want to get talked to, just for the sake of confrontation.
  15. janice6

    janice6 Silver Member

    Apr 4, 2006

    You can bet your ass that when a serial "guy with a book" starts beating the heck out of strangers, the cops will be called. especially when a concerned person sees a guy with a book..

    I do believe that a person OCing, is looking for attention and is perturbed when he gets it.
  16. Chris Chris

    Chris Chris

    Jul 2, 2010
    That is the most intelligent and thoughtful quote I have ever seen on the subject of OC.

    Thank you for that, especially from the perspective of a serving LEO.
  17. Clutch Cargo

    Clutch Cargo Amsterdam Haze

    Nov 29, 2010
    We cannot open carry a pistol in Texas but we can open/concealed carry a long gun. I have experience with LE while legally open carrying a long gun and I do feel like I'm treated like a criminal. I've no doubt the LE reaction is due to lack of experience/training on the part of the LE. Texas folks just don't carry their long guns that much anymore.
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  18. SJ 40

    SJ 40

    Jan 17, 2011
    Guns in the open are quite common in Vermont,sometimes folks that move here from less than Free states are not used to seeing them in the open.
    Or worse yet folks walking down the road with shotguns or rifles in the pursuit of hunting.

    If they don't like not having street lights or curbs.sidewalks and folks exerciseing their God given rights them maybe they should stay in Ma.,N.J., N.Y. or CT. and then they won't have to witness folks enjoying Freedom. SJ 40
  19. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    Seems as if there may be some who openly carry a handgun who actually do not get harassed by the police; or if they have contact with the police, the contact seems less dramatic. I wonder if maybe they have something that is different in their demeanor or age or responses.
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  20. JerryVO


    Oct 22, 2008
    Tampa, FL
    I think this is exactly what the OP is talking about and you said it so nonchalantly. There is no reason to stop an OCer to ask what they are doing. They are going about their business... that's what they are doing. If you observe them acting suspicious that is one thing but the presumption that an OCer deserves to be asked what they are doing is the problem and where the appearance of police thinking they are criminals comes from.

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