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Who's celebrating the Feast of the Son of Isis?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by GreenDrake, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

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    Who's with me? Sounds like a great time.

    The feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
     
  2. Alpine

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    Ummm....my HOA doesn't allow this sort of thing.
     


  3. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    sounds a lot like christmas dont it?

    hercules had a god for a father and a mortal mother....he did things that no other man could do...he was persecuted for his feats.....maybe he was related to jesus, they sound an awful lot alike.
     
  4. FCoulter

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    My guess would be alot of people both atheist as well as christians.
     
  5. This is when we celebrant the death and resurrection of the Sun god isn't it?
     
  6. Brasso

    Brasso Millennium Member

    Well, the names have been changed to protect the guilty, but yeah.
     
  7. Citation? I mean actual evidence, not some opinion piece or an article on the internet.

    Seems to be missing.

    These legends have been discussed here, and those making such claims have always mysteriously disappeared from the discussion.

    Are you talking about the Roman pagan festival that was insititued in ... 274 AD?

    Quoting from Calculating Christmas (written by an actual historian):

    Many Christians think that Christians celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25th because the church fathers appropriated the date of a pagan festival. Almost no one minds, except for a few groups on the fringes of American Evangelicalism, who seem to think that this makes Christmas itself a pagan festival. But it is perhaps interesting to know that the choice of December 25th is the result of attempts among the earliest Christians to figure out the date of Jesus’ birth based on calendrical calculations that had nothing to do with pagan festivals.

    Rather, the pagan festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Son” instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the “pagan origins of Christmas” is a myth without historical substance.​
    ...
    And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the “Sun of Salvation” or the “Sun of Justice.”



    Read more: http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-10-012-v#ixzz2Csgx38Q9
     
  8. Really? You believe that Jesus = Hercules?

    Well, that doesn't surprise me too much.
     
  9. Brasso

    Brasso Millennium Member

    See guys. It's all a mistake. According to Bert there were no pagan festivals, in Rome, celebrating the birth of any god on Dec. 25 prior to Christianity.

    It's all a misunderstanding.

    All those statues of Zeus that the RCC renamed to God, all those stained glass windows with saints wearing sun halo's, all the depictions of Asherah with her child renamed the Madonna, they are all fakes and rumors started by Judaizers.
     
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  10. Batesmotel

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    The early Christians had to pick a date to celebrate the birth of Christ and there was already a party going on the 25th anyway so why not just tag along.

    Doesn't prove or disprove anything.
     
  11. It's interesting that you have to build a strawman to destroy rather than trying the honest approach. This says a lot about the type of person you are, as well as the foundations of your beliefs.

    Do you think that God likes it when you lie "for" Him??
     
  12. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

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    Schabs, your bible is not proof of anything either, just a book of stories, fables and myths written by self appointed intermediaries. Ironic? There's no ACTUAL EVIDENCE for a god either. Therein lies the theist double standard. God didn't sit down and write a book did he?

    The date of December 25th was originally known as the feast of Natalis Invicti Solis, or the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun".8 The celebration, also known as the Roman Saturnalia (in honor of their god of agriculture, Saturn), was an annual feast long before the birth of Christ. The Saturnalia was actually a week-long celebration, with the final day being the Brumalia, or the first day of winter. According to the Julian calendar, that day fell on December 25.9

    The celebration of Saturnalia was the greatest of all pagan festivals. It was a once-a-year time to indulge in feasting, drinking, the exchanging of gifts, and merrymaking in general. Although Saturnalia is more attributed to be of Roman origin, the ancient Babylonians celebrated the feast of the son of Isis (goddess of nature) on December 25. Boisterous celebration, with gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast as well.10
     
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  13. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/New-Proofs-Existence-God-Contributions/dp/0802863833"]New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy: Robert J. Spitzer: 9780802863836: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fdDpqiZAL.@@AMEPARAM@@41fdDpqiZAL[/ame]

    No, we don't start with the Bible to prove God. That's not the way the original Christians (i.e., Catholics) go about it. Read chapter 9 of [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-Fundamentalism-Attack-Romanism-Christians/dp/0898701775/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1353538601&sr=1-1&keywords=Catholicism+and+Fundamentalism"]Amazon.com: Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on "Romanism" by "Bible Christians" (0008987017752): Karl Keating: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DdeglHmzL.@@AMEPARAM@@51DdeglHmzL[/ame] for a good synopsis.

    Define "originally." Give citations.

    Your citations are missing.

    Just repeating what was posted above ISN'T evidence.
    I'm sure you can figure that out, and so I think I can assume that you don't have any evidence.
     
  14. Brasso

    Brasso Millennium Member

    Bert, you are so full of crap.

    I haven't said anything that can't be verified in a matter of seconds. Everyone here knows it. Just stop.
     
  15. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

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    Brasso, sometimes the horse isn't thirsty. LOL
     
  16. Geko45

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    :mememe:
     
  17. Glock36shooter

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    That's hilarious seeing as how this is how you often justify your spin of what the bible "really" means. As opposed to what it actually says.
     
  18. :rofl:
    Another non-answer from the king of non-evidence.
     
  19. Yeah .. hilarious.
    But no answer. No evidence.

    Not unexpected.
     
  20. Animal Mother

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    Can we agree that Saturnalia was a pagan Greco-Roman festival that predated Christianity and took place during the middle to late part of December?