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Which optics for an ak? Eotech v aimpoint v acog.

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by alfred10, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. alfred10

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    I have this with the factory pinity rail.

    http://www.arsenalinc.com/sgl21pr.htm

    Who sells mounts for AK optics? I have heard its bad to mount above the gas tube becuase of the heat. Is it better to mount on the rail? Who sells mounts? Do they have a back up iron site for an ak or do you just remove the optic to use iron?

    Whats best for an AK and why?

    THe ACOG might be too much? Really like the Eotech.... Want it to be fast for CQB and maybe hit to 300 yards without adjustments...
     
  2. Alaskapopo

    Alaskapopo NRA ENDOWMENT

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    I think you will have difficulty making an ACOG work on an AK due to eye relief issues. You need to have the ACOG close to your eye. I like Aimpoints myself on AK's.
    [​IMG]
    Pat
     

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  3. alfred10

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    Do any of the eotech or aimpoints have unlimited eye relief as in your eye can be any distance away?
     
  4. Alaskapopo

    Alaskapopo NRA ENDOWMENT

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    Yes both are red dot sights and both have unlimited eye relief.
    Pat
     
  5. Aceman

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    OK - here we go

    #1 Ultimak gas tube mount. + Low and co-witness, no eye relief issues. - can get hot!
    #2 Ultimak with Eotech. Same
    #3 Side mount for either: + How it is supposed to be done, no heat - No co-witness, no left folders
    #4 Texas thing that goes over cover. Don't know about that.

    But an Aimpoint might work on that...As I would think it would on a side rail mount.
     
  6. alfred10

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    Overall, where is the best place to mount it? Will an aimpoint micro co witness?
     
  7. Alaskapopo

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    1 Ultimak gas tube mount. + Low and co-witness, no eye relief issues. - can get hot!

    What he said. This is the best option with a micro aimpoint T1.
    pat
     
  8. WadeP

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    +1

    It will get hot. Some have said that the Eotech is more sensitive to the heat than the aimpoint. The Eotech will not cowitness in this position but then again co-witnessing is probably overrated if you're running a rugged and long-battery life optic like the Aimpoint. Batteries aren't the only thing that fails on an optic and mud or a broken lens can ruin your day. For those reasons, I think quick-detach is more important. The ARMS #31 is a quick-detach that will still co-witness the Aimpoint micro.
     
  9. alfred10

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    How many rounds would it take to get hot? Not really worried about cowitness since I will just get a quick detach. I want to possibly get an Aimpoint to use on all my weapons by just switching.

    What are the pros of the other aimpoint models? Will I have eye relief issues with the side mount?
     
  10. Z520Rangeer

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    Keep in mind your rail is not a Ultimak. You have the Midwest rail on that SGL 21 and it will sit higher then the Ultimak. This said you also have that much more air space above the gas tube for the heat to disssipate.
     
  11. batoncolle

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    If you are rapid firing, it will get hot fairly quickly, but you will be fine with an Aimpoint on either the Ultimak or the rail you currently have. If you're mounting on the gas tube I would only go with the T-1 or H-1 b/c of the weight. If you want to use a larger scope/red dot, then I would go with one of the mounts over the cover. There are several very good ones such as Krebs (http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPages/KalashnikovParts.shtml#REARRAIL), TX Weapons Systems Dog Leg (http://texasweaponsystems.com), or DPH Arms (http://dpharms.com/akberylstylescoperailwquickdetach-p-1000.html).

    I have the Ultimak, Krebs and Dog Leg on different AKs, and I can recommend any of them. Here is a pic of the T-1 on an Ultimak.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Michigun

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    Nether here nor there, but my UltiMAK gas tube mounts get optics hot enough, during sustained fire, that they will burn you... they have baked apart/killed their share of cheaper red-dots... the Aimpoints have done great for 1,000's of rounds though:

    [​IMG]

    .
     
  13. WIG19

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    Not an endorsement, just a test with a sample population of one. Found a Bushnell TRS-25 on the shelf at the shop awhile back, price was reeeally right 'cause they forgot it was there. Intention was to just put it atop a Mk.II Ruger for the nieces or for rimfire pin matches. Stuck it on top of the Ultimak out of curiosity.

    Ran many rounds thru it this past summer on hottest days I could make available; my Ultimak doesn't have any additional ports so, as Michigun points out, the overgassed AK does a fine job of heating things up. No issues with dot, zero, or system damage, battery still runs fine. I've also had it left out in a couple of downpours. Still, I wanted to know how it would hold up under winter conditions as well.

    It lives fine so far down to -17°F, has been frozen, re-thawed (intentionally), pretty much jounces around in the truck, been dropped, and that sight on my gun still lets me put 5 rounds into a $50 bill at 300yds. Co-witnesses like a T/H-1 so if it dies I don't care 'cause my irons are already 'there' at the same POI. The Aimpoint does have it on battery life but, honestly, I don't have a mission where I have to turn it on in Kuwait and leave it on for a year. CR-2032's are cheap and I know where the off switch is.

    Guess I got lucky. Now I need to forage back into the shelves & find another one for the original intent of the .22 pistol.

    ETA: I did notice a distinct accuracy improvement, which showed itself mostly at distance, back when I installed the Ultimak. <25yds, I don't notice the dot much. It aids my older eyes more at distances. For CQB distances if the front sight ears have meat around them the trigger gets pressed.
     
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  14. SKYWLKR

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    Kobra. Small MOA dot with the Chevron is my preference, but has a dot, a T reticle and a chevron only. I put 6 rounds into a quarter sized group off-hand with it at 25 yards.

    This is coming from a red dot on the the Ultimak, I might put the Ultimak on another rifle though.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. extremus

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    I've got the Kobra on my VEPR K, in 7.62x39, and it will shoot a 5 round 2" 100yd group with commercial Russian ammo. I too like the dot and chevron, easy to pick up and easy to keep on target.

    With the VEPR so accurate because of the heavy barrel and RPK receiver, I'm thinking of going with a Leupold Mark 4 1-3x14mm CQ/T, it would be good in a fire suppression role.

    Aimpoint is top notch, you do get what you pay for there. Micro H-1 would give you years of use, very rugged and dependable. The battery life is such (50k hours) you'll never have to turn it off.

    Also, thanks for the heads-up WIG19. I've got a Camp 9 carbine that the Bushnell TRS-25 would be perfect for.

    Harold
     
  16. SKYWLKR

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    Three Kobras for the price of one Aimpoint and Ultimak kinna does.
     
  17. Aceman

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    You know, you can put a UTG quad rails up front for over the tube mounting AND avoid the heat.

    I agree w/ Co-witness over-rated. A good sight won't die, and good or cheap, it should be able to come off fast.