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Which Handguard

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by glockdoc21, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. glockdoc21

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    I'm finishing up a midlength build, and I'm trying to decide if I want a MOE handguard or an apex extended midlength naked tube (very sexy AND lightweight). I'm building a 16" A1 based carbine w/ a DD lightweight midlength barrel and a 3x ACOG in the carry handle, so it's a little bit of a mutt, but she's going to do all things. I'm only going to mount a small handstop and maybe a light, so the MOE'd work fine, but that apex is just cool. It'll have a FSB as well. thoughts?
     
  2. LA_357SIG

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    I like the MOE handguard on my son's build. It has a MOE foregrip on it now and feels as heavy as it did with a TROY drop in rail.
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  3. mjkeat

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  4. WayaX

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    I'll second that. Especially, if you have no light or VFG to mount, the magpul MOE is dead weight. The Troy Alpha rail is top notch. You'll get the benefit of the free-floating barrel, which will help with accuracy (something I would certainly want with a magnified optic).
     
  5. mjkeat

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    what do you mean by, If you don't have a light or VFG to mount? If you're refering to the Alpha or most tubes there are numerous ways to mount things such as lights and VFGs w/o rail segments on the tube. Same w/ the MOE but that thing is a pig.

    I'm not trying to be a smart ass too you.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2012
  6. LA_357SIG

    LA_357SIG Milspectacular

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    This doesn't add any value to this thread in any way.
     
  7. SCSU74

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    Love my alpha rail. Very comfortable and allows you to add rail sections where you need/want them. Very sturdy. Fwiw I switched to the alpha from an moe. Moe is ok, alpha is awesome.


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    Last edited: Nov 15, 2012
  8. WoodenPlank

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    I'd go with the MOE.

    Then again, I already did. There's a MOE midlength handguard sitting on my safe waiting for my PSA 16" midlength upper to arrive. While they're not the lightest solution, they're inexpensive, modular, and have a crapload of stuff available to fit them.
     
  9. mjkeat

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    LOL, and this does? You're in over your head once again. Run along.
     
  10. cowboy1964

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    How many ounces weight difference are we talking between a Magpul mid-length and something like a Troy Alpha? A Magpul mid-length is 8.7 oz. I find it hard to believe metal Troys and DDs and such could be much less.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2012
  11. TucsonGlocker

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    Here is the specs on the 9, 11, and 13" VTAC Alpha Rails

    9” VTAC ALPHA:
    •Weight w/clamps: 8.60 oz.
    •Exact Length: 9.2”
    •Number of rail slots: 23
    •Inner diameter: 1.37”
    •Outer diameter: 1.75”
    •Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
    •Number of cooling holes: 25
    •Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
    •Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
    •Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
    •Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

    11” VTAC ALPHA:
    •Weight w/clamp: 10.17 oz.
    •Exact Length: 11.1”
    •Number of rail slots: 28
    •Inner diameter: 1.37”
    •Outer diameter: 1.75”
    •Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
    •Number of cooling holes: 32
    •Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
    •Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
    •Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
    •Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

    13” VTAC ALPHA:
    •Weight w/clamp: 13.36 oz.
    •Exact Length: 13.1”
    •Number of rail slots: 33
    •Inner diameter: 1.37”
    •Outer diameter: 1.75”
    •Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
    •Number of cooling holes: 39
    •Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
    •Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
    •Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
    •Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

    (Found this on another forum) :embarassed:
     
  12. TucsonGlocker

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  13. jr05

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    I have the MOE handguards on my middy and really like them, so that would be my vote.
     
  14. WoodenPlank

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    Something to bear in mind - last I checked, Troy posted the weights of JUST the rail, whereas Daniel Defense includes the weight of the barrel nut and all mounting hardware.
     
  15. mjkeat

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    It's closer to 11.54oz. You have to take the whole picture into account. The Troy doesn't require the Delta ring or a complete FSP.

    I was very supprised that the Magpul equiped rifle was heavier than the AR w/ a Troy 13" rail. The DD RIS II equiped AR feels about the same weight as the Magpul equiped AR as well. Aluminum is light.
     
  16. TangoFoxtrot

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    With the tax and shipping your talking over $300 for the rail..WOW that is insane.
     
  17. WoodenPlank

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    DD is a classic case of getting what you pay for.
     
  18. joe0121

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    I love my MOE hand guard with angle grip. My build is a mid length as well and a home defense rifle. Very comfortable.
     
  19. cowboy1964

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    There does come a point of diminishing returns. I don't need a $300 handguard/rail.