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Which grain for .308 Winchester

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by EL COLONEL, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. EL COLONEL

    EL COLONEL

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    Ok guys , hunting here in Texas with a 308 win . My question is which grain is best for deer and hogs , 150,165, or180 ? Closest is 30 yds furthest is 300. Thanx
     
  2. RRTX11

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    Any .308 grain medium or big game hunting bullet will do. Barnes, Hornady, Remington Core Lokt, Nosler Partition, Winchester Supreme or Ballistic Silvertip in the 160 gr range will be more than sufficient to harvest deer or hawg as long as the round is properly placed. My favorite factory round is the Federal Premium with a 165 Gr Sierra GameKing. Sierra in my opinion are the best and most accurate hunting bullets I have used. Your rifle will tell you which of these ammo's it likes best. Some of these may not shoot a 6 inch group in yours no matter what you do. I do prefer something in the 160-170 gr range though.

    I reload all my .308 ammo using:
    Lake City Brass
    168 Gr Moly Sierra GameKing HPBT
    42.2 Gr IMR 4064 or 42.8 Gr IMR 4895
    Winchester Large Rifle Primers

    Thru my remington 700, I can put 5 rounds essentially through the same hole with this recipe at 100 yds, and it is a great medium to big game round. Has harvested a lot of animals the last few years with minimal to no tracking involved.

    You have to do your end of it though by making a good, clean shot.
     


  3. The colonel

    I think you ask this same question like once a year.. The best bullet for one animal is probably not going to be the best for another. Same thing can be said for a shot at 30 yards vrs 300yards.

    Now some are going to debate what I'm going to state, but for any deer to include mule deer, you don't need anything heavier than a 150grain bullet. YOU can use anything you want, but a heavier bullet, is not going to make a deer any deader. Also you don't need a premium bullet to kill a deer.

    On to what's best in YOUR gun, and with your markmanship skills might not be best for me, or joe or pete or john. Only you know.

    A general rule; heavier bullets in the same caliber typically has better BC, more penetration, is slower, and has more recoil.

    I found over the years, you want a bullet that's reliable and that you know inside and out. You need to know trajectory more and more than what's best. So your rifle zero at 100 but shooting at 300yards, do you know the drop? Do you know the distance with any accuracy ( how can you tell if that deer is standing broadside at 230 vrs 300,330,380 yards )
    And yes a gun zero at 100yards might miss a deer flat out at 380yards if you can't judge the distance and don't know the trajectory.

    fwiw

    a zero @ 100yards would put most 308winny bullets at 14" or more which could be a easy miss & outside of your PBR.

    I myself like winchester sliver box in my 30-06. BUT your best is to get a few boxes, hit the range, shoot off the bench and non-bench, and she what it can do & more importantly YOU can do.
     
  4. EL COLONEL

    EL COLONEL

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    Rrtx11 thank you . Noway thanks and at least I don't ask the same question every month. I understand what you are saying . I wasn't talking about bullet drop and shot placement . I'll figure out that later I was just asking which grain to use on deer and hogs ...... :dunno:
     
  5. 150 grain nosler partition. i've killed plenty of deer and hogs with this bullet. but out of a 30.06..all texas and new mexico game.

    you shouldnt have any issues.
     
  6. bustedknee

    bustedknee Curmudgeon

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    It seems to me the 165 is the best weight bullet for 30 caliber.

    It has the proper weight vs length vs diameter for accuracy.
    The 165 boat tail looks like it is actually picking up speed while the others are slowing down. (It isn't really speeding up, it just slows less).

    Unless going after the big bears or moose, I shoot the 165's for everything.
    For the big bears and moose I have a 338 WM.

    If I buy loaded ammo I get the 168 grn Winchester Ballistic Silvertip.
    IMPRESSIVE!
    http://www.winchester.com/products/rifle-ammunition/supreme/ballistic-silvertip/Pages/SBST308A.aspx
     
  7. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    The grains in the bullet shouldn't matter.

    Which is most accurate for you and your gun?

    I like/prefer a Federal 165gr premium ammo, but I have used everything from 125gr-220gr bullets for different things.

    Bullet construction DOES matter. The 125gr bullets were varmint rounds. The 240gr were match bullets. The standard 150 and 165 gr bullets for big game.
     
  8. EL COLONEL

    EL COLONEL

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  9. 165 or 168 grain is my preference in the 308. You can step down to a 150 grain if your rifle likes it better. I would use a Hornady 165 Interlock for deer and hogs it will work great.
     
  10. i like heavier bullets. if you are shooting a remington with a 1:12 twist, id go with a 165-168gr. if its a savage or some remingtons with a 1:10 twist, i like 175-180 grain bullets.

    i will be looking at loading some 180gr ballistic tips soon. most common bullet in my family is the remington core-lokt 180gr in 30-06 for what thats worth. im looking for a good mix of long range precision and effective hunting bullet.
     
  11. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

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    Shoot 150 grain bullets for deer and pigs. Inside of 300 yards there's no practical difference between any .308 load that matters on iota in term of deer killin'. As has already been mentioned--you don't need a premium bullet for this job. Plain ole' Remington Green Box or Winchester Power Points will get the job done if you don't jerk the trigger to hard....
     
  12. EAJuggalo

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    But the further you get out the more the quality control and overall quality of components will matter.

    The biggest question is what what does your rifle like best? My Marlin XS7 loves Hornady 150 gr. SST, with that combo I've got a MOA gun and scope combo for less than $400.
     
  13. sourdough44

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    165 grn traditional bullet, 150 grn with a TSX type copper bullet.
     
  14. I just killed a deer @ 225yrds and a Javalina at 80yrds on the same day. Both were shot with core-locks 150gr out of a 30-06 savage. Both fell to the floor at impact. So despite what many will tell you, bullet weight don't play much of a factor under these conditions as it is accuracy. Maybe farther out, it will matter the weight (wind deflection, ballistic drop, bullet coeficient, etc..etc).
     
  15. RRTX11

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    Congrats on your harvest. I believe most of us have said at the end of the day what is most important is accuracy, and that bullet weight/style have LESS importance than accuracy.
     
  16. TScottW99

    TScottW99 NRA Life Member

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    I shoot the 180 grain Corelokts out of my .308win and have no problems with them. Shoot 7/8" groups at 100 yards and drop deer. I use the 180 because we have so many bears where I hunt and deer and bear season cross for about a week. Have no problem using that bullet on a black bear.
     
  17. Thanks.