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Which Colt would you buy?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by ajgranda, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. Hi,

    OK, there are two limited editions that I'm interested in.

    First is the Colt Talo CC Government (01991CCG) 80 series.
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    Custom Colt Govt .45
    Novak Fiber Optic Sights
    Upswept Grip Safety
    Elongated Slot Hammer
    National Match Barrel
    Slimline Grips
    800 have been commissioned for build in 2012
    Extended thumb safety
    MSRP: $1079
    Street price around 1K

    Next is the Wiley Clapp Colt 01911WC (70 series) with
    5-inch National Match barrel. It has a polished blue slide and matte blue frame; the grip frame has 25 LPI checkering on the frontstrap and mainspring housing, plus the heel of the mainspring housing is radiused. There’s also a beveled magazine well, standard GI safety and slide release catches, Commander Hammer, extended grip safety, plus a Novak Wide Notch rear sight and brass bead front sight. Where the triggerguard and frontstrap intersect, there’s a relief cut for shooter comfort and the walnut grips have an ergonomic tactical oval shape with a special checkering pattern, GI thumb safty and laser-cut Colt logo.
    This gun has also been dehorned and has a slightly round butt. Two 8-round magazines accompany each gun and MSRP is $1,599.00
    Street price around $1500

    Do you feel the Wiley Clapp is worth $500 more for the 70 series and the few extra features? Also, I know a Les Baer CC would only run me a few hundred more, but I would need to change the sights (poor eyesight) to something similar, which would run me at least a couple of hundred additional. The DW Valor is similarly priced, but hard to find now and I would also need to change the sights. I will be using the gun as a CCW.
    Thanks
     
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  2. bac1023

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    Just get the Talo. Spending that kind of money for a new Colt is not something I would do.

    Either that or take the money and pick up a vintage Series 70 model.
     


  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    They're both Talo specials.

    I like Series 70 but I wouldn't pay another $500 to get it. Also, most people hate the "ergonomics" grips of the Wiley Clapp.

    The fiber optics front sight work pretty well, even in dim light (better than the plain black version), as is the brass bead. So take your pick on the front sight.
     
  4. bac1023

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    Yeah, I thought the Clapp model was also through Talo.
     
  5. Baba Louie

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    Great advice as always.

    But of the two choices ajgranda listed, I'd take the first of the two, the series 80.

    Personally, I'd find a new Colt series 70, no limited edition stuff, shoot it a good while, then change out whatever I felt needed changing, like front sights if the eyes need it and hammer/grip safety if it bites. Well, actually that's all I'd have done as I tend to be cheap and prefer to keep things stock.

    If I was really going to CCW, a LW, preferably Commander if stickin w/ Colt. and knowing myself, being cheap, and thinking that should I need use it, knowing I'll lose it, I would not put too much money into my carry piece. That's why God made Glocks and such :upeyes:

    Obviously YMMV for any and all of the above. :whistling:
     
  6. spsmith713

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    This might sound like a dumb question:whistling: but what is the big fascination with the series 70s? I know they don't have the firing pin safety but besides that what else is there?
     
  7. Tiro Fijo

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    FWIW, I shot a fella's brand spanking new Colt the other day at a range. It was the basic model. I was amazed at the barrel hood lockup and trigger as they were perfect. No offset drilled dust cover either. :cool:
     
  8. fnfalman

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    Personal preference and that's about it.

    Some old wives' tales still exist about how the Series 80 trigger aren't as good or can be made as good as the Series 70 but that's not true. Custom gun makers have been making glass rod Series 80 trigger pulls for decades now, not to mention that you can't tell the difference between the two stock guns. The best trigger pull on a Colt I've felt was a brand new current stock Gold Cup, and it was compared to the old 1960s and 1970s National Match and Gold Cup.
     
  9. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Neither,.......contact Crazy John & get a Baer for a bit more cash
     
  10. bac1023

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    They don't have something you don't need in the first place and they are true to more true to original 1911 spec. Besides that Series 70 guns certainly have better build quality than Series 80 guns of the 80's and 90's.

    Serious 1911 people don't want stupid nonsense, like a firing pin safety in their guns. I know I sure as heck don't. Some will say it also changes the feel of the trigger, because the Series 80 safety works off the trigger.

    Trust me, Series 70 guns hold their value MUCH better.
     
  11. bac1023

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    If it was me, I also wouldn't buy either of them.
     
  12. spsmith713

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  13. Glock1963

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    I hope no one minds if I hop in here for a few questions (and they're relative to the topic) for you.

    I am newly interested in getting a 1911. I have read your guide and a lot of your posts. I have a Ruger SR1911 held for me at a shop if I want it. However, they don't care if I back out and opt for something else. It will likely be my lone .45 since I'm more of a 9mm guy. I want to get a good, mid-range priced 1911 and I want to get it right the first time.

    They also have one of Colt's new Series 70 base model guns for $999.00 and it's beautiful. I am not a big fan of doing many modifications and I like clean lines and solid performance.

    One of the employees there whose opinion I value claims that the Ruger is just as good of a gun for 300 bucks less. He added that he believes Colt has been riding off of their reputation since the '70's and they're not worth the premium price they're asking.

    What do you think? I am not a rich man but I am the "buy once, cry once" type. I believe that in most things you truly do get what you pay for.

    Thanks and sorry for rambling.
     
  14. fnfalman

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    First of all, I think that you can negotiate the price of that Colt down to about $900.00

    Secondly, the Ruger has casted frame. One can talk about the strength and longitivity of casted versus forged parts until the cows come home, but in the end forged parts cost more.

    Thirdly, Colts of today are just as good as Colts of 1970s. Maybe not as prettily made as the 1960s and older, but easily match the 1970s Colts (I have two that were made in early 1970s).

    Fourthly, it's a Colt. Twenty years from now, it's still desirable. Fifty years from now, it'd probably even be more desirable. May not matter to you but probably for your kins if you were to decide to make it an heirloom.

    Fifthly, if you're gonna get just ONE .45ACP 1911 then get a Colt because...well...it's a Colt - the original. Les Baers, Dan Wessons, Wilson Combats, Ed Browns, Guncrafters, Remingtons, Winchesters, RIAs, Rugers, ad infinitum, may be better, may be more economical, may be whatever, but in the end they still ain't Colts.
     
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  15. glock2740

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    Ditto. :thumbsup:
     
  16. brianfede

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    Ever consider the 1918 repro? I was looking at the same 2 colts as you but ended up with this View attachment 229633 . $1250.


    But out of those 2 I prefer the WC, for some reason, though I think they are overpriced, I have a certain affinity for the WC models

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  17. faawrenchbndr

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    A straight up 70 series would be my only recommendation.
    The Wiley and Talo models are crap. Overpriced, poor fitment,
    can not, will not recommend them.
    Buy a 70 series reproduction and have it built by a shop that
    knows what the heJJ they are doing.
     
  18. brianfede

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    Exactly what I did!!!! Love my repro. Pic posted above


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  19. bac1023

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    There's actually a local shop in my area that has one of those for sale and I'm thinking I my grab it. I have one of those that's been turned into a Retro Custom build by Ted Yost at Heirloom and it would be cool to have the base gun as well.

    Its not like Colt is making any more of them, so it might be a good investment as well. :)
     
  20. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    A carbonia blue one is the more desirable model, any idea which one it is?