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Which brass manufacturers use small pistol primers in .45 ACP?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by MinervaDoe, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. MinervaDoe

    MinervaDoe

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    :headscratch: I've picked up some .45 ACP range brass here and there which seems to use small pistol primers.
    How common is this?
    Which brass manufacturers use small pistol primers in .45 ACP?

    So far, the culprits are:
    S&B
    Speer
    GFL

    :shame: Am I smoking carpet fibers? Am I missing something here? :dunno:

    I guess I'll load them up with small pistol primers, the next time I am getting ready to switch the Dillon over to do a 9mm run. :stooges:
     
  2. MSgt Dotson

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  3. I've seen Fiocchi and some Aluminum Blazer with SPP in 45ACP.
     
  4. Glock2008

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    I've got some winchester nt, that has small primers.
     
  5. vtbluegrass

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    I just loaded some Brass Blazer with small primers. I have 50 and they will be shot last next time I am at the range and they are staying there for the next poor soul.
    The cycle continues.
     
  6. dsmw5142

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    I have a crap load of the Speer clean fire stuff. Works fine. I just keep it bagged and seperated for lost brass matches.
     
  7. MinervaDoe

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    Okay, it's good to hear I'm not crazy.
    Why are these companies doing this?
    :rofl:

    I figure I'll sort it and separate it and just reload it when I'm set up for small pistol stuff.
     
  8. XDRoX

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    Small primer 45's are awesome.:rock:

    Someday I'm going to switch over to them. Until then I can hardly wait. I hate changing over to large primers on the press. Some reviews that have come out about them have even claimed you can get better accuracy with SPP's.
     
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  9. dudel

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    Mine is either Speer or Federal. I've seen some Winchester out there. BTW, it shoots great, plus one less primer type to stock.
     
  10. dudel

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    I've read a Layne Simpson article that says that, and my own tests have confirmed that in my loads. It IS great not having to switch primer feeds.

    Moving to 45 ACP small primer brass was one of the good things I've done recently. (the other is working up a VLV .223 load for the contenter. Don't need a silencer and it's accurate to 50 yards. A great small game round)
     
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  11. dbarry

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    spp 45's rock! I dont have to switch primers when going from 45acp to 45gap (45 special :O)
     
  12. dbarry

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    makes you wonder why they've got spp and lpp. probably same reason they've got flat head & phillips... torx, hex, robertson... :O)
     
  13. HAMMERHEAD

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    GFL is the brass used by Fiocchi in their lead free frangible ammo.
    The rest are probably all from lead free primers as well. For some reason they can't (or won't) make lead free large primers.

    Now if they would just make SPP 10mm brass...
     
  14. freakshow10mm

    freakshow10mm 10mm Advocate

    PM me your address and I'll send you what I have. Coffee can full of crimped and SP .45 brass. I'll sort the crimped and ship the SP.

    That being said, I've seen:

    Winchester NT
    Federal NT
    Speer
    CCI
    Fiocchi
    Remington
     
  15. XDRoX

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    Wow Freak, thanks for the offer, you're too kind. I'll be happy to pay shipping if you like. Pm sent.
     
  16. Jim Watson

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    They did to start with, that is where the occasional large primer case with a huge flashhole comes from.

    The Dinol lead-free priming mix is "hotter" than lead styphnate. Early Winclean had large primers and large flashholes to vent the pressure rise into the case. Current NT uses small primers because less Dinol is required.

    Winchester NT is no problem to reload with standard small pistol. (Although Winchester will tell you not to, for some reason.) If you are going for a power factor, be sure to chronograph, my tests showed 25-40 fps less than large primer cases. The Federal NT small I picked up had a HEAVY primer crimp. Not many to be seen around here and not worth the trouble to decrimp.
     
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  17. buyobuyo

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    Along the same lines.... Lapua is making .308 brass with small primer pockets.
     
  18. JBaird22

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    The Lapua .308 brass is called Palma or some such. It is said to give greater accuracy than large primer .308 brass.
     
  19. CTSixshot

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    Thanks JW. I always wondered what the deal was with these and your explanation is as good as I've heard yet.

    Seems to me I have heard of issues with ejectors on some firearms contacting large primers (if clearing a live round, for example), but I can't offer any documentation on this.

    Remington used to use a small primer on their 7.62x39 ammo, but I've heard that was discontinued. Again, no real documented proof of this.
     
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  20. XDRoX

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    Thanks Freakshow:wavey:

    I just got the brass in the mail. I really appreciate it. With the amount of 45 that I shoot, this brass will be enough to change over to SPP 45 and last me a while. I've only ever loaded 45 on my single stage, but I think I'll put an order in with Dillon today, to get set up on my 550b.
    Thanks again.

    Dudel, do you have any WST data? Should I just try my regular load and expect a little less velocity?