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Which .22?

Discussion in 'Rimfire Forum' started by Jake514, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. Jake514

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    I have several pistols and shotguns but never owned a .22 or even a rifle, and briefly considered a .17 but the ammo appears more costly so I am back to a .22 and looking at the 10-22 or M&P 15/22. (I do not see an AR in my future so M&P 15/22 cross-over training is presently of little value to me.)

    I will mostly be shooting paper with the .22, trying for long-range accuracy for fun and will equip it with a decent, good quality scope.

    1. Not trying to add more heat to the Ruger 10-22 and M&P 15/22 debate, but what is the latest and which one do you experienced guys prefer between the two?

    2. Is one more accurate than the other if both are shooting the same ammo?

    3. If I were to buy a 10-22 and significantly trick it out spending $$$, would I be better investing in a Volquartsen?

    4. I did read about the new Ruger Takedown and considered it as an option, but some people noted problems with accuracy when the barrel did not always mate up with the receiver when reattached. Is this the consensus of the GT Rimfire group?

    Thanks in advance for your opinions.
     
  2. cj5mrt

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    If you're getting a 10/22, check out Kidd's website.
     


  3. ratf51

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    I have never had an M&P 15/22 so I can't compare. But a 10/22 will serve you very well. I would not get a 10/22 for long range accuracy without upgrading some components, though-- unless you get the 10/22 target version. The 10/22 is one of the most ubiquitous .22's out there. You can get a standard out of the box 10/22 and be perfectly happy. Then you can get the bug to upgrade the thing any way you want. (It's what happened to me.)

    Does it have to be a semi-auto? If not, consider these as alternatives: Henry lever actions-- the H001 (18" barrel) and the H001T (20" barrel). Marlin or Savage bolt actions. CZ 452 bolt action (I think the number may be different now, they have changed the rifle some.)

    You won't go wrong with the 10/22, though. And every home needs a .22-- it's a necessary commodity.
     
  4. mattbg

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    I went with the 10/22, due to cost and performance (it will shoot anything, not always the case with .22).

    I'm in my 10/22 for the following:
    10/22- $200
    Tapco stock- $95
    Ruger bx25 mag- $25
    Tapco foregrip- $18
    Tru Glo red dot- $30

    Take the money you save by not spending $400 + on the M&P and buy a few bricks of ammo. :) The thing is really fun and cheap to shoot.
     
  5. JaPes

    JaPes Rimfire 1010101

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    I own both a mildly modded Ruger 10/22 and a S&W M&P 15-22. I love them both. Each fulfills a different role.

    With that said, given that you just want to shoot paper with the goal of accuracy at longer distances get a Marlin 795.

    A Marlin 795's micro groove barrel is inherently more accurate than either the the stock 10/22 or 15-22 barrel. Pull it out of the box, pop on a scope, and you're ready to go.

    The only issue is that there aren't as many aftermarket parts for the Marlin 795 as there are for the 10/22 or the 15-22. Tinkering can be 95% of the fun. The downside is that the costs of tinkering add up fast.
     
  6. auto-5

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    If you can find an old Rem 66 nylon pick it up they are great guns. Of the two you mentioned either are good guns but I have more experience with the Ruger.
     
  7. Clem Eastwood

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    i have a 10/22 carbine that has been rechambered with a bentz chamber that its best group is .44" center to center for 5 rounds at 50y with wolf MT. best 100y is 1.12".

    i have another 10/22 with a clark custom 21" bull barrel and its best 5 round ctc 50y group is .27" with wolf. best 100y is .73".

    my wifes 20" kidd bull barrel 10/22s best 5 round 50y group is .25" ctc with wolf. best 100y is .79".

    my cz 452s best 5 round group at 50y was .17" ctc with wolf. best 100y is .68".



    that being said, a couple weeks ago i shot my coworkers m&p .22. it functioned great and fun to shoot; however its accuracy was no where near the worst of the above rifles. my best 5 round 25y group with it was around an inch. they are completely different guns.
     
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  8. Jake514

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    Thanks for the input - good information to know!
     
  9. alwaysshootin

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    Everyone, should own a 10/22! Keep it original, and have years of inexpensive plinking fun.:cool:
     
  10. NBT

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    Still have my Ruger 10/22 from 1984....can't count how many rounds I have through it....still shoot's great today. It's in the BOB now, and I still get the chance to warm her up once and a while. Back in my Squirrel hunting days the most common 22's out there were probably the Glenfield Marlin Model 60 or the Ruger 10/22. Both gun's shot great, with the edge going to the Ruger because of the magazine feed. I did end up owning both, and eventually sold the 60. I would say the 10/22 was less finicky on ammo back then.
    I remember the day I got my 10/22, because I was complaining that it was $120 and the Model 60 only cost me around $60 bucks a few years prior.
    Here is the model 60 I had...Squirrel and all..
    http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11105...nfield-2fmarlin-model-60-.22-caliber-rifle_s3
     
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  11. Keyhole

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    I have both and for what you describe I'd go with the 10/22, then later go Volquartsen on it a bit as your needs evolve.
     
  12. jp3975

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    Here's their 10/22 section.

    https://www.volquartsen.com/tags/12-kits,13-ruger-10-22


    Ruger is pretty much the company to go with when it comes to 22 pistols and rifles.

    If you want to have a lot of fun, pick up a suppressor for it.
     
  13. Peter_72

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    The above statement says you should really consider a .17. You can buy a decent .17 rifle for a lot less that the tricked out 10/22 and you won't be disappointing with the performance!

    Keep in mind that cheap .22 bullets will not be consistent, especially at long range. Once you pay for a good .22 bullet you won't be saving that much on ammo.
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2012
  14. This, and get a bolt action if you want maximum long range accuracy.

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  15. mac66

    mac66 Huge Member Millennium Member

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    Forget what you read on the internet about the 10/22s being inaccurate or that you have to spend a ton of money on them to make them so. Those people are simply spreading the BS that is put out by all the aftermarket makers of gadgets and expensive FOO-FOO.

    Out of the box the 10/22 is reliable and more accurate than most people can shoot them. Buy one, throw a good set of iron sights (Tech-Sights) or a decent scope on it and shoot it. When you have wrung it out pretty well then decide on the next step. Maybe a target barrel, maybe some trigger work.

    You don't have to fix it because it ain't broke, but if you want to make it special there are an infinite number of ways to do to it. No other 22 in the world is as versatile.
     
  16. Clem Eastwood

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    this rifle could be duplicated for $345 + tax not including scope.

    new 10/22 carbine $230. barrel rechamber and crown $65, VQ extractor and target hammer $50.
     
  17. Blackshirts

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    Between the Ruger 10/22 and the M&P 15/22 I would go with the Ruger. Cheaper and the mods available are practically limitless. Opening up to all makers I would go with a Marlin 60. I have shot various stock Rugers and they just don't seem to compare to me.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2012
  18. trigger45

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    my next .22 rifle will be a savage or cz bolt action. had 3 ruger 10/22. there not built right in my opinion. Or they are not built for me.
     
  19. AZson

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    10/22, you can do so much with it, even turn it into a AR style gun.
     
  20. Clem Eastwood

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    after having my cz i bought a savage mkII. it was accurate, but every couple of bricks i found i was having to put a fresh extractor spring in it. i got tired of that and got a 10/22. now i have 3 10/22s. needless to say, i would go with the cz. i have almost 8000 rounds through mine in the last 5 years and not a single problem.