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When did it stop being okay to call a CWO Chief?

Discussion in 'US Army Forum' started by deadday, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. deadday


    Aug 14, 2007
    Was walking out of the hospital today (in civies) as a CW3 was walking in...He had a 4/7 Cav DUI on his beret so I said 'Morning Chief, Garry Owen' and he proceeded to rip my ass for calling him Chief....Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?

  2. matsig

    matsig Millennium Member

    Dec 7, 1999
    geneva, Fl
    That is odd. My only thoughts are some people are just jerks.

  3. GJ1981

    GJ1981 Pitying Fools

    Feb 10, 2008
    WO's tend to be weird IMO, I remember one addressing himself as Mister. It sounds like he was just being a dick honestly, most soldiers always called WO's Chief. I personally treated them the same as a regular officer when I was in, not to much they could complain about then.
  4. Tennessee Slim

    Tennessee Slim Señor Member CLM

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mucus City, USA
    Way back when I was in, Aviation Warrants would bristle at being called "Chief". "You see any feathers on me, Troop??!!" Definitely a no-no with Marine Warrants (wouldn't want to be confused with a lowly Navy chief).
  5. deadday


    Aug 14, 2007
    He was aviation...I ..I've never had any issues before...maybe he was just having a ****ty day...:dunno:

  6. nothing

    nothing Advertisement

    Feb 24, 2002
    Brandon, MS
    A friend of mine went from being an MI Warrant to in Infantry LT. I had to laugh when he had his ass torn out of frame by a COW (crusty old warrant) for calling him chief one day. The COW didn't want to hear anything about the LT being a CW2 in his former life. I guess a few of them are just really anal.
  7. slyjackalope


    Sep 6, 2005
    In the JAG Corps, we commonly refer to a warrant officer as "chief." However, I had a fellow attorney (and former Army pilot) at JAOBC who told me that Army aviation warrant officers don't like being referred to as "chief."
  8. deadday


    Aug 14, 2007
    I've never encountered a CWO that had a problem with until today....Maybe he was just having a ****ty day...:dunno:

  9. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    I'm Air Force, but I grew up around the Army and always heard the aviation WOs referred to as chief.

    We have some Army aviators here at my base (couple dozen) and I always call the warrants Chief and salute them at the gate.

    They've never even given me a hard look about it. Weird.
  10. Sigma40


    Mar 26, 2008
    In the Marines, you just call them Sir and life will be tolerable.
  11. Sam White

    Sam White I miss you bud Silver Member

    Nov 17, 2001
    South Dakota
    Most warrants I've met have been technicans, fwiw. But I've always called them Chief and never had a problem.
  12. Hal9mm


    Jun 9, 2002
    there are too many people in the military who take themselves too damn seriously. Yeah your a CWO, it doesn't make u a god!

    OH IIRC, WO's should be referred to as MR. Sir is reserved only for commissioned officers.
  13. Question for you military guys.
    What is the point in the Warrant officer ranking?
    Is it a higher rank then lieutenant?
  14. rhikdavis

    rhikdavis U.S. Veteran

    Jul 22, 2002
    In Remembrance
    I've heard Navy Warrants called ...drum roll....'warrants'....
  15. Fred Hansen

    Fred Hansen Liberal Bane

    May 19, 2005
    In the Naval ordinance rates we called them "Gunner". AFAIK they would have felt disrespected by us had we called them anything else... with perhaps the exception of extremely formal occasions.

  16. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    Warrants are technical specialists. Back in the day (pre-60s) they were generally senior NCOs who were extremely good at one particular job, and they were made warrants as sort of a reward. Most officer privileges and pay, without command.

    Around the time of Vietnam the Army realized it was going to need a LOT of helo pilots and could not afford that many officers (messed up manning, etc) plus many of them would end up fighting over the same command positions. Yet, they had a lot of guys who wanted to fly (and nothing else) yet not get treated like dirt.

    So they made most pilots warrant officers. You get saluted, good pay, officer housing and all that, and all they want you to do is what you want to do (fly). A few officers in the unit to handle command-side stuff (unit commander, exec, etc).

    Not sure how the Navy does things but it's probably the more traditional setup (though I've heard, because of a shortage of pilots who want to fly patrol planes, helos, etc and also suffer through the officer BS, they are going to start having warrant pilots).

    Air Force no longer has warrant officers. Not sure about the Marines, I think they have Master Gunners ?
  17. slyjackalope


    Sep 6, 2005
    MrMurphy pretty much gave the rundown on the Army aviation warrant officers. There are warrant officers in most of the other Army branches and almost all of them are prior enlisted. You generally have to be squared away with a number of years in the Army before you can even apply to be a warrant officer. Warrant officers are specialists in their field and receive a commission once they reach CW2.

    Army chief warrant officers (CW2 - CW5) have almost all of the privileges and responsibilities of regular commissioned officers and may exercise command (though they usually don't). However, even a second lieutenant outranks a CW5.

    In the Army JAG Corps, warrant officers are legal administrators, with the closest civilian parallel being a law office manager.
  18. rangerruck


    Oct 16, 2005
    much of the above may be true, but if you have a dude who is cw3 or better, and in some type of materiel, or other critical needs area, he knows he has got a lot of pull. A good cw3 or higher, can make a Colonel cry if he really wants to.
  19. WO's now serve as the XO on SF ODAs. SF no longer uses 1st Lt.'s as XO's on the teams. ;)
  20. SAWMAN


    Aug 19, 2006
    NW FLA.
    ......has no W.O. pilots that I know of. They once had enlisted pilots,usually E-7 thru E-9. They did not rate a salute.....BUT.....a heck of a lot of respect.

    E-7's are sometimes offered Warrent Officer for SpecOps(NSW) and EOD. I have also known E-8's and 9's that turned down 2nd Lt. for the W.O program.

    Also some E-7's are put into the "Gunner" program. They are given a commission and are in charge of air launched weapons on ships and aircraft squadrons.

    A US Navy Warrent Officer is godlike. He is usually a crusty ol' bast*** that wont take crap off anybody.

    If he is attached to NSW he is usually far senior to "GOD". He can(and does) walk on water,his stuff doesn't even start to stink,he has eyes in the back of his head,and can very easily read minds. He is somewhat mystical,and it is a given that he can(and does) perform majic.

    He can,with ease,make a O-5 wimper like a baby.

    If a Navy W.O. is in a somewhat(yeah,right) good mood, it is acceptable to simply call them "Warrent". This, if used in conjunction with "good morning or good evening". Call him "chief" and .......well.......!!