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What's the F'ing point of the C.A.B.?

Discussion in 'US Army Forum' started by Surt, Jul 27, 2009.

  1. Surt

    Surt Jötunn-Kin

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    I get back from my COP/FOB hopping back to my "base" FOB where I stage from and see our news letter. The whole S2/BISE shop are getting awarded CABs because a rocket landed "close" to their building, and there was supposedly a few shrapnel pockmarks in the adobe.

    WTF? When did we adopt a definition of "combat" that lets the 9-5 dayhos who never even see OVER the wire get awards for being "in combat"? I head in there for an INTELSUM briefing and they're all chattering away about the 70mm that hit a football field away like they weathered an artillery barrage in a hasty position! I realize that the FOBBITs that get killed by mortars are just as dead as the SF and SEAL dudes that jump on a grenade to save their buddies, but seriously. I thought the CAB was to distinguish non 11/18s that have been IN COMBAT, not just to be another version of the deployment patch.
     
  2. MrMurphy

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    Want something to cheer you up?

    I know of a female USAF LT (from one of my NCOs, who was actually IN the fight) who was not even present and got awarded either a Bronze or Silver Star because an AF general was in a hurry to award stuff before the Army could to his own troops.

    A real scumbag, she didn't turn it down, since she was safe inside the wire 20 miles away and never heard a shot fired that day.
     


  3. Surt

    Surt Jötunn-Kin

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    That did kinda cheer me up, if only due to the fact that I had to either laugh or cry, so I laughed.

    Thanks though.
     
  4. The Maggy

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    The point of the CAB? There is no point to it, it's a joke. It's like Jessica Lynch calling her book "I'm a Soldier too."

    When I was up in the Northern part of the country I remember hearing about a rocket that hit FOB Spiecher, no where near a building or a person or anything, but some support medical company was awarded their CMB's because it was during sick call hours at their TMC.

    The CAB is just something to make the pogs feel good about themselves when they go home. I mean who wouldnt want a badge that has a bayonet and a grenade on it.... It just sets you up for too many bad ass stories about how you got it.
     
  5. AF-Odin

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    To paraphrase COL (R) Harry Summers in an article he wrote more than 20 years ago called "A Bit of Colored Ribbon," no one knows exactly what someone did to receive a medal (or other award) except that person. His point, looking back to Viet Nam, was that many of us know folks that received a Silver Star that should have either been court martialed or were no where near the event that was described in the citation yet we also know those who probably deserved a Silver Star and were lucky to receive an ARCOM. For those non-11/18 MOS Soldiers who earned their CAB in multiple fire fights, raids, and ambushes they can be justifiably proud. For those who earned it because they heard a mortar round explode..............
     
  6. Rakkasan

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    It's just a "I want a CIB too" award for crybabies who didn't join the Infantry. That is all. Should have been a pacifier with a wreath around it. :whistling:
     
  7. There are many people who have been awarded the CIB that shouldn't have been awarded it as well. We all have seen this!

    As a Korean war veteran it sort of pains me to see the AA tab over the Rakkasan patch too!

    As I recall MPs have been in many fire fights in Iraq and IMO deserve the C.A.B! I'm sure that there are many more cases of non 11B's earning their C.A.B. the hard way too.
     
  8. luv2brode

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    amen and pass the ammo
     
  9. rdero

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    At 10th Mountain we called it the "Crying And *****ing" badge. We awarded the FO's attached to our platoon with CIB's the wear them under their pocket flaps. They sure deserved it.
     
  10. Rakkasan

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    The CAB fiasco all started back at the beginning of the Iraq war. I remember hearing all the time of people *****ing that the Infantry had a special badge and they didn't. Being in combat is not all about badges, and if they wanted a CIB or CMB, they should have done their research before they joined and became an Infantryman or Medic. The CAB is a product of whining, and that is why I do not like it.

    BTW... The 187th Infantry patch has an Airborne tab. You can buy novelty ones with the AA tab or a Rakkasan tab. Plus the Rakkasans have not worn that patch since Korea.
     
  11. Reheater

    Reheater Yarr

    Heres the problem, there are scenarios which warrant the idea behind the C.A.B. and there are scenarios that dont. So the only way to stop people from passing out a badge like its halloween candy to a lot of people that dont deserve it is to get rid of the badge all together and not award the people that do.

    But thats not the Army way. We have a badge and a ribbon for everything. Hell I got 3 ribbons just for signing my name. But there are people that legitimately deserve the CAB. Ive got a buddy who is a former 88M. Did he go kicking doors down in Mosul or anything like that? No... He spent a year standing in a turret of a gun truck pulling escort duty for the one thing insurgents liked to pick fights with convoys full of soft skin fuel trucks miles from the protection of the Infantry/Armor. To quote him "My hands spent more time on a .50 call then they did my own...." well you get the point.

    I love how Infantry guys get there panties in a wad any time anybody else gets some kind of award or special designation that makes them cool too. I never have an Armor guy get up my ass about flight pay or anything, its always 11 series guys.
     
  12. The Maggy

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    now now now, while your 88m buddy might have spent more time with his hands on a .50 then his own junk doesnt mean he knew how to use it, what he was shooting at, or that he cared. I have been shot at by skittish pogs that would empty a clip on tampa if you said "boo" across the radio. I am sure I'm not the only one with stories about getting shot at by clips running at night because you have someone in a turret has no clue what they are doing, or no idea what american trucks and weapons look like under night vision.

    In the end it doesn't really matter, Once you stand through a CIB/CMB ceremony. The presentation of the CAB is like a foot note. Maybe two sentences about the warriors ethos or what ever crap is spoon fed to the soft MOS's in basic.
     
  13. Reheater

    Reheater Yarr

    Right because every 11 series PFC with a crew serve weapon on his first rotation in the sand box is just perfectly flawless at target ID and weapon employment. And Ive seen your Night Vision... its disturbing to see the difference between the quality of your gear and what we give our Crew chiefs in the back who dont even fly the thing.
     
  14. deadday

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    It makes people feel good....see the rest of the Army got upset because the infantry guys had their CIB.....so the medics said, hey, **** you guys, we need a piece of bling too....so along came the CMB....then everyone else said, hey, whiskey tango foxtrot, over? how come the medics and the infantry get new bling? We need some too....And that my friend is how the CAB came about....I don't wear mine...:wavey:
     
  15. deadday

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    ...you mean the ones that didn't realize that big bright, blinky lights that could only been seen through the NODs indicated people they shouldn't be shooting at?:rofl:
     
  16. G-C

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    You can have the f'ing badge, the f'ing headaches, and the f'ing hearing loss. "I don't need no stinking badge." What movie is that from? I forget.
    This is my first post, btw. Have a nice day.
     
  17. The Maggy

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    Thats what we thought...they got cabs for reacting to an ambush....
     
  18. Surt

    Surt Jötunn-Kin

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    Ugh, they got their moment of "glory." As glorious as sitting in the S2 shop and wondering what was that "whump" can be.
    What a bunch of hooey.
     
  19. Cobra6

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    I don't wear a Combat Action Badge because of all the reasons above - it has become a joke.