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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Rixtoy1, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Rixtoy1


    Dec 29, 2012
    In today's Wichita Eagle - Yesterday, a woman was in the drive-up at MCDonalds in Wichita and (long story short) a big SUV with blacked out windows pushes its way into line from the side in front of her, words are exchanged and she bumps the SUV. Driver (female) gets out and throws a crowbar at her windshield, hits it and doesn't break. The victim decides to get the Hell out of Dodge (well, wichita) and backs up to try and get away - a guy steps out of the rear of the sUV with a shotgun - pumps it- and blast her car door from 10 feet as she is pulling away. Door is peppered, but no glass break or injuries. So this question - my wife and I both carry legally and in the car. We talked it over and "think" if we could flee when the guy pulls the gun, that would be choice 1, but if we couldn't back up and he points the shotgun, you have no choice but to take him out. We are new at this - opinions? BTW - she had the license plate (really?) and they picked up the dude and his girlfriend at their house 3 hours later after a confrontation.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2013
  2. Annoyinglylongname


    Oct 19, 2012
    Anytime you can get away without shooting, its the right thing to do. Macho BS aside

  3. JLeephoto


    Feb 14, 2011
    Dude with the long name nailed this one right out of the gate. The purpose of a defensive firearm is to extricate ones self from danger. Sounds like in this case the gas pedal was a better tool.

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  4. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles
    1. Avoid.
    2. Deescalate.
    3. Get the hell out of dodge if you can do so safely without endangering yourself or the people you are responsible for.
    4. Never go outside the house at night to investigate that strange noise.
    5. Read this article:
    6. Read this web site:
    7. Buy this book:

    [ame=""] Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry (9781440232671): Massad Ayoob: Books@@AMEPARAM@@[/ame]

    8. Always wear your hat and insist that others do as well.
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2013
  5. Tiro Fijo

    Tiro Fijo

    May 31, 2011
  6. HarleyGuy


    Mar 29, 2008
    I think back to what an instructor told me years ago about being prepared to get punched in a fist fight, to get cut in a knife fight, or to get shot in a gun fight.

    If you can safely exit a situation where gun(s) are pulled, do so as quickly as possible.

    If you have no option, then you have no option but to attempt to protect yourself by any means possible, including lethal force with a firearm.

    A handgun (regardless of caliber) is not an even match in firepower to a long gun (rifle or shotgun).
  7. First, never be party to any antagonizing efforts by some jerk; do not help escalate the situation. Second, if you can get away then do so... even if you are not required by law to retreat. Remember, just because you are in the right and armed doesn't mean you are going to win in a deadly confrontation. Third, if there is no escape and you're faced with a deadly threat, stop that threat with whatever means are at your disposal. Guy gets out of a vehicle with a firearm and fires at you, if you're close enough, use your vehicle and ram him if possible. If not and you have your own firearm, use it (this can be difficult in a vehicle).

    Point is, try your best to not be part of a problem. If you see something developing, be prudent, use your head, and apply common sense. Deadly force is the last response you want to use but if you must, use it with deliberation and purpose.
  8. dosei


    Mar 22, 2005
    Upstate SC
    I would have:
    Not "exchanged words"
    Not bumped their vehicle with my own

    Nothing news-worthy would have happened...and that's a good thing.
  9. Rixtoy1


    Dec 29, 2012
    Thanks all - well done.
    I am encouraged by the lack of "Cowboy Up" bravado . . .
    And, I suspect this same question has been asked before, but I didn't get pummeled for asking the question.

    Now, Part II-
    If you are in a third car, and the shotgun guy blasts through an open window to mortally wound the driver of the second car - how does this change your response? Seriously, - if you feel you are at potential risk , do you act? - or, only when it is your life on the line (again, I am sure this is covered in some of the referenced materials - my apologies).
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  10. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles
    As I said, read this article:
  11. Rixtoy1


    Dec 29, 2012
  12. Clay1


    Dec 7, 2004
    Agree with all of the "get out of there responses". Now the question was what would have been a logical choice if you could NOT get out of there.

    A weapon, is a state of mind more than it is the hardware. In this case I don't think that I would be trying any fast draw with my 9mm, but you have available a two thousand pound plus ram rod. You are in the car already don't forget that sometimes you can use the gas pedal more effectively than the trigger.

    GRIMLET Deceased

    Dec 29, 2011
    I agree to evacuate the area if you can.

    If that isnt an option, in this situation, hit the gas and pin the shotgun shooter in between vehicles. If he still has control over the shotgun and is a threat, then draw and act appropriately.

    If you are the third car in line and the shotgun shooter is racking and aiming the shotgun laterally at the evacuating vehicle, do you do the above or duck and cover or both?

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  14. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

    Jan 25, 2008
    Clarksville, Tn.
    As a civillian always try to get away and/or take the situation to a lower level.
    Having said that, when you can not do the suggested thing protect yourself and those you love.
  15. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles
    If you can't get out of there, take cover. I'm assuming the scenario you postulate is that you are not being specifically targeted but are witnessing something. As you say though, if you are in a running car, your options to get the hell out of there are dramatically increased in most cases. That doesn't mean running people over but if you have to bump through a fence or hop a curb to get out of the danger zone, press ze gas pedal man.
  16. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL

    I agree that leave if you can safely is usually the best choice and almost always the less expensive choice.

    I also think it pays to remember that good guys do not always prevail in a gun fight. Sometimes one can only try to "take him out" but not be successful in that.
  17. RadarP3C


    Jan 6, 2012
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Wow, times are crazy when you have to preplan an escape route while in a drive through line just in case. :shocked:
  18. robhic

    robhic WOLVERINE!!!! Platinum Member

    Jun 28, 2011
    There was an incident around here about 2-3 years ago. Mother and son in drive thru at Arbees. Guy jumps in car attempting a carjack.

    Son is packing. Shoots the would be carjacker and all is right with the world. It was during the day so you just never know. A drive thru! You can't be too careful.
  19. dosei


    Mar 22, 2005
    Upstate SC
    Wake up and stop living in condition white...sheesh, it's a lesson I learned and took to heart as a little kid (complements of the school bullies) almost 40 years ago (growing up in a small Mennonite farming town in the midwest).
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2013
  20. SilverBullet_83

    SilverBullet_83 NRA member

    Nov 23, 2008
    Clermont, Fl
    You said she bumped the SUV and then this confrontation occured? If I have read that right, then her swlf defense excuse would have been torn apart.