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What religious reality is real?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by 427, May 15, 2012.

  1. 427

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    Do the beliefs of others apply to others who don't share the same belief? If the beliefs of the believers apply to the non-believers, how do they know?
    The strange thing is that most of the consequences for non-believers is that it happens after death. How do the believers know that, in fact, happens?

    Let me give some examples.

    If I have a religious belief and believe that it applies to others, but others reject it, would my belief apply to them?

    If one doesn't believe/do ____X____, then ____Y____ will happen.

    If I don't believe in a certain deity I will be judged then condemned to an unpleasant fate. How would anyone know?

    Some have the belief of purgatory - others reject it the premise. Does the what the believers believe apply to the non believers? How do/would they know?

    Some have the belief of hell. Others reject the premise. Does the belief of hell apply to the non believers? How do/would they really know?

    Some religions believe in judgement day, others do not. Does judgement day apply to the non-believers? How do/would the believers really know?

    I have a religious friend who believes that Kachina* dolls, common in the SW at tourist traps, contain spirits and says they are evil - possessing them endangers my spiritual well being. I see them as nothing more than carved painted wood. Does his beliefs apply to me?


    These are just examples.

    Just curious.

    *Brief history for those who aren't familiar with Kachina dolls.
    http://www.sakhomenewa.com/History/brief.html
     
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  2. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    To paraphrase a quotation:

    "There are literally hundreds of different Christian churches, each with differing views of the faith. According to at least one of those faiths you're going to hell."
     


  3. Lone Wolf8634

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    There are thousands of belief systems out there. I find it hard to fathom how they could all apply.
     
  4. void *

    void * Dereference Me!

    There's a guy who I used to work with who espoused the idea that whatever people actually believed was true for them.

    I asked him what would happen if someone believed they could fly and jumped off a building. His response was that they would actually fly as long as they actually believed.

    I then asked him what would happen if someone who truly believed they could fly jumped off a building, whilst being observed by someone who actually believed nobody could fly. His response was sort of a split universe thing where the person who believed he could fly would fly and the person who didn't believe people could fly would see the "flying person" fall to his death. This answer wasn't really satisfactory to me.
     
  5. 427

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    It's interesting that the religious people on this forum, tell atheists/agnostics that if they don't have the same religious beliefs god will judge and condemn them. How do the believers know that their beliefs will apply to all others who don't share them? It doesn't make sense to me.
     
  6. Lone Wolf8634

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    And if their belief apply to us, than it stands to reason that other beliefs apply to them.

    Kind of a crapshoot if you ask me.....:whistling:

    Whats that quote? "We're all Atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do".......
     
  7. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    'Quantum Physics and the Multiverse.'

    As told by Jonathon Livingston Seagull.
     
  8. Alizard

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    The question ignores the obvious: there is only one reality and it applies to all. True Christianity believes that when Christ returns, there will be a thousand year period where He and his followers preach to those who never had the chance to hear it or even to those who rejected it. They get a second chance after death. If they still reject God, they will be blotted out on the day of final judgement.

    God is more than fair.
     
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  9. Gunhaver

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    So what you're saying is that being an atheist doesn't matter because when I die Christ will reveal himself to me and I'll finally have that pesky evidence I'm always expecting before I make a decision?

    Well I'm cool with that. Seems like a pretty logical and fair way to operate but it sure does blow away that Pascals wager thing you guys are always trying to scare us with.
     
  10. 427

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    You may believe that, and that's cool. But how does that belief apply to others who don't share that belief such as hindus, and buddhists, for example.

    Is what you're saying that "true" Christians are right and every other non Christian or not the right kind of Christian is wrong? If so, how do you know this for a fact?
     
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  11. Alizard

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    I am saying that my beliefs are that all people will (after death) get another chance to believe in God. Many will, but many will choose to follow satan (he's a good liar)
     
  12. Alizard

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    No, what I am saying is that there is only one reality: believing differently doesn't change it. I have beliefs, others have theirs. We will all find out in the end which ones are reality.

    Beliefs can not be proven "as facts" since you have to die to know for sure.
     
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  13. Alizard

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    I only use the phrase "true Christians" to designate people who follow Christ's actual teachings, as opposed to the many legions of churches and preachers who claim to be Christians but are selling false doctrines of men.
     
  14. 427

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    What if a person rejects the premise of both satan and god? What's their fate?

    If I'm not christian, how does that "one reality" you believe apply to me? Wouldn't my religious beliefs only apply to me?
     
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  15. 427

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    What are false doctrines to you are beliefs for others and what are beliefs for you are false doctrines for others. See how that works? Who is more righter?
     
  16. Alizard

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    To meet both.

    Reality applies to everyone. It is what it is. We will all find out.

    Claiming that you do not believe in something will not change reality.
     
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  17. Alizard

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    Whatever. Believe what you want.
     
  18. 427

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    If I don't believe in unicorns, santa clause, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, or any/all dieties. What's real to you may not be real to someone else. There is no "one" reality.

    :whistling:
     
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  19. Alizard

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    That statement is a non-sequitur of galactic proportions. You may dispute what reality is, you can not dispute that there IS a reality.

     
  20. Syclone538

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    I would think most believers, believe their beliefs apply to everyone. Or at least everyone that has ever heard of their specific belief. For example, I don't think that many believers believe that infants that die are doomed because they didn't believe in the "correct" religion.

    How do they know? They don't.