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What do we do if the Candidate doesn't go along?

Discussion in 'Freemason's Lodge' started by ArodJohns, Sep 27, 2007.

  1. ArodJohns

    ArodJohns

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    What do we do if the candidate refuses to preform an action? (Just think of the 2nd half of the MM degree. I'm trying not to give too much away.)


    In one way, it shows that he's not taking his Raising seriously, but then again I'm not sure I'd do something if I didn't feel comfortable with and trust the person making me do it.

    If you want the whole story, PM me with the PW of the MM and I'll tell you. :)
     
  2. Notrega

    Notrega

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    Remember what the cable tow is for...

    PM me and give me the details... very interested in the story.

    PM Robert Butler Lodge #305 Tallahassee, FL
     


  3. ArodJohns

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    Please clean out your box, Worshipful. :)
     
  4. zoyter2

    zoyter2 Yeah, so what?

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    It is hard to discuss because of the differences in the ritual work from state to state.

    If a candidate refuses to go along at any point, he will be escorted from the lodge, and dismissed. Of course, I would make every attempt to find out why he refused, and see if it was due to a misunderstanding.

    However, realistically, now a days, with the internet a tap away, most candidates have a rough idea of what is going to happen.

    I have only heard of this happening once, with the candidate being conducted from the lodge without ever having seen the Light.
     
  5. Peak_Oil

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    A good friend of mine was getting raised in my lodge a couple years ago. I knew him for years before I introduced him to the Masons. He doesn't put up with people touching his person, he will fight at the drop of a hat.

    Well there were a couple of guys who were putting their hands on him a little more than he wanted that night and I saw him move his hands in such a way that he had one guy set up to throw him cartwheel style across the room.

    Oh no, don't do it!

    Well, he did. Ass over teakettle that guy went, and he came back to my friend and told him We're just acting, and he said So am I. They backed off a little and the rest of the raising went without a hitch.

    It's been a couple years since that event, but apparently these guys went too far again and now the lodge has had its charter pulled. We are dark. That's it for the last couple of years, and who knows how much longer.

    I would advocate putting things on hold and talking to the candidate for a minute before doing anything rash.
     
  6. zoyter2

    zoyter2 Yeah, so what?

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    In the future, if you have someone that you know might react sort of instinctively, drop him a tip that somewhere, someone might put their hands on him.

    I am a member of a lodge that was situated in the same town of a major military base. Many soldiers were members of our lodge. This was a concern at times and we assured that no one felt threatened.

    On a related note, I do hope that when you said your friend will 'fight at the drop of a hat' you were somewhat exaggerating. I would wonder otherwise if he has the reputation as a hothead if he will be a good example of a Mason.

    Certainly no flaming is intended, just a whisper of good counsel.
     
  7. Hoppes No.9

    Hoppes No.9

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    And while I'm guessing I won't get a reply but hope I do.......

    Were they touching his little general????? I'd prolly cartwheel someone too.
     
  8. Vic Vega

    Vic Vega Facilitator

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    If a candidate at any point refuses to continue with a degree and does not respond to a little prompting, remember the cable tow.
     
  9. ArodJohns

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    That's an excellent point. Now that I look back on it, I'm not so sure it was an unwillingness to go through the degree so much as it was just shock.
     
  10. zoyter2

    zoyter2 Yeah, so what?

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    Hence my suggestion about a little advanced warning that someone MIGHT put their hands on them.
     
  11. AnimalK

    AnimalK Kilted Muppet

    My dad advised me just before that "2nd half", to "GO WITH THE FLOW"...

    Due to the nature of my job and training, trust was a major (but not insurmountable) hurdle to get past during the ceremonies, but I was able to assure myself that I was, indeed, safe in the company of brothers and no harm would befall me during my "journey". I went along and found it was an interesting experience, being a part of the pageantry instead of feeling threatened and reacting instinctively.

    A bit of warning to the candidate might help, such as that which my dad gave me.
     
  12. blue0623

    blue0623 2B1ASK1

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    I to was givin the "Go with the flow" advise, I think that most guys, givin that would relax enough, and should by that time know that they are among Brothers and no harm would come to them