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What a RIPP-OFF (357 SIG)

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by mickdundie, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. mickdundie

    mickdundie

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    Why is 357SIG $32/50 rounds FMJ? What a RIPP-OFF!!!

    I think I will buy a reloading machine if it will pay for itself.

    Is it hard to re-load 357SIG w/the bottleneck case?

    What will the powder and bullet cost to re-load vs store bought ammo (if I save my brass)

    $32/50=$.64/round (not including tax) SHESH@#$%^&*()

    Thanks

    Mick:thumbsup:
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2010
  2. 2afreedom

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    I don't reload so i can't answer your cost question. I will tell you that many .357 pistols can be converted to .40 S&W with only a new barrel. .40 is a lot more common and much less expensive.
     


  3. chemcmndr

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    I reload .357 Sig. Using 10.5 grains of AA #7 and 124 grain Hornady XTP's I can make my own for about $10.57 a box of 50. The only downside to reloading with the bottleneck is that you have to keep a closer eye on case length and lubricating the cases before resizing. You can get around the lubrication if you use a .40 S&W die before sizing the neck.
     
  4. mickdundie

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    Actually, I bought a G27 because I have never seen a G33 in any of my local gun shops. Then I got the conversion barrel to 357SIG...I'm just saying 357SIG ammo is a RIPP-OFF!

    Thanks

    Mick:thumbsup:
     
  5. mickdundie

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    Sounds good.

    Where is the cheapest place to get quality reloading equipment?

    Thanks

    Mick:thumbsup:
     
  6. aujrb

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    You can find it on-line much cheaper.

    I've been looking at getting some fmj from Georgia Arms when I get my Sig barrel for my G23.
     
  7. fredj338

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    If yo ubuy the pricey Dillon carbide dies or use a 40s&w carbide sizer, you can eliminate the case lube. It cost me just a bit more to reload 357sig than it does 9mm. Depending on what performance level you want, you can load it w/ lead bullets & 7gr of Unique for 1200fps & good accuracy for about $5/50, plated @ 1300fps for about $6.50 & jacketed to 1400fps for $7.5/50. The biggest issue is getting the correct dies (not RCBS IMO) & setting them up properly to headspace on the small shoulder (read The ABCs of Reloading for headspace definition). Then bullet selection is crucial. You can not just use any 9mm bullet, but a truncated cone style flat point or hollow point. Great round. If you are looking for cheaper factory ammo, try GeorgiaArms. They make a quality product at reasonable cost.
     
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  8. 1 old 0311

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    Gee a new caliber, limited popularity, and ammo is high? Now WHAT are the odds of that?:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  9. FredJ nailed it. I have a ton of 9mm stuff on my shelf. The dies and brass are all I'm waiting on to start rolling the 357sig. My plan is to use Montana gold to practice and XTP's for real.
     
  10. mickdundie

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    357SIG a new caliber...OK

    It's over 16 Years Old...when is it not new any more?

    If it was a car in 5 years and some change it would be an antique!:supergrin:

    Mick
     
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  11. mickdundie

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    Thanks guys...that is a good price $16/50 rounds

    Mick:thumbsup:
     
  12. chemcmndr

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    Yeah, I can reload 125 gr. Speer Gold Dots for about $14 a box of 50, so that's still not a bad price either. I just use a Lee turret press and Lee dies for reloading .357 Sig. I have yet to find just a .40 S&W carbide die for a reasonable price, otherwise I would be looking heavily into going the lube-less route for reloading. That way I could use my turret in progressive mode for .357 Sig.
     
  13. 1 old 0311

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    Well the .45, 9 mm, and .38 are 100 years old. The .40 is like 30 years old and still up there a bit in price. There is always a price to be the one to say "Hy look guys at what I have."
     
  14. mickdundie

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    Good thing I don't have any friends to brag to. That would really cost me!

    Mick
     
  15. PersonOfInterest

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    .40 is more like 18 or 20 years old, as others are saying buy in bulk - i bought about 1k of Speer Lawman cheap along with some other factory loads then after i had enough brass to get started i began reloading, it is slightly tricky at first - biggest problem for me was getting the right projectiles aside from that once you get your sizing right (dont push the shoulder down too far) youll be fine.
    I load with molycoats and push them to about 1300fps and also load the 125gn Gold Dot for hunting at 1380fps.
    I managed to get my hands on about 1500 Lawman rounds for $20 a box a while ago so im mostly using my reloads with the odd box of factories.
    If your new to reloading i suggest you dont start with the 357sig.
     
  16. IndyGunFreak

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    Comparing the .40's age, to the .357sig's age... is not an accurate way to look at this. The .40 was introduced, it quickly became the "wonder cartridge".. and LE quickly began to adopt it.... Even at around 12-15yrs old, it was probably the most carried cartridge by LE and CCW'ers. More demand, means more bulk buys on components, savings from buying in bulk is passed on down the line.

    .357sig, has not enjoyed near the level of success that the .40 has. A .357sig Glock is the only gun I've sold that I had zero regrets about, and was happy to see it go.

    The .357sig, for the foreseeable future, will be a round like the 10mm. Those who know it's capabilities, will buy it. Those who buy it, and just buy it because someone told them to, will end up frustrated and selling it.

    IGF
     
  17. mickdundie

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    So which category are you in?

    I bought a G27 (40S&W) and bought the conversion barrel for the 'capabilities' (as you put it) of the 357SIG...I'm not sorry...I LOVE IT!!!

    I just hate the price of ammo...It's a rip-off PERIOD

    Mick:thumbsup:
     
  18. IndyGunFreak

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    Definitely the latter, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I had the gun for a little over 2yrs, and I'd bet 80% of that time, I was offering it for sale. It just doesn't do anything that a 9-45 won't do.

    I probably didn't shoot more than 500rds through it. The loss I took on it was worth it, just to get it out of my hair.

    I also sold 10mm FWIW, and I miss it.

    The ammo isn't really a ripoff, it's just not high on demand, thus making it more expensive for ammo manufacturers to spend time setting their machines for a run of it.
     
  19. unit1069

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    I just did a quick check of ammunitiontogo.com.

    The price of Winchester T JHP for .357sig and .45ACP are the same.

    Fiocchi XTP, the same.

    I don't like the current price of most ammo, but if .357sig is a rip-off the same must be said of .45ACP.
     
  20. freakshow10mm

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    Ammo has risen in price due to demand, recently that demand went "bye-bye". Last few months prices have been lowering back to "normal". Some companies don't get it. Others do.

    For my ammo per 1,000 rounds:

    380 $231
    9mm supersonic $155
    9mm subsonic $170
    357 SIG $200
    40 $195
    45 $236

    Those are case prices.

    For loading the SIG, cry once and get the carbide die from Dillon.