Forgive me for I have sinned. I did not buy a LMT, BCM, LaRue, Noveske or any other high dollar AR. After much research I came to realize I'm not a LEO, in Afganistan for a fire fight or shooting a thousand rounds a day in a tactical rifle class. I just want to punch holes in paper and explode old laptop computers (have a few laying around). And should SHTF happen, I figure a desent AR should be able to get off a couple hundred rounds. If not, my old AK-47 will. A couple months ago I purchased a PSA srtipped lower and MOE lower kit. Yesterday I was on PSA's web site and noticed most of the complete uppers had come back in stock (have been out of stock for awhile now). I ordered the 16" mid length with hammer fordged barrel and MOE forend. While mulling that over I thought about my 16yo Son and Christmas and wound up ordering him the complete carbine rifle with MOE funiture. I figured if his requirements go beyond punching holes in paper he can join the Army and they can give him a M4. These will be the first AR's I've owned since making a killing on a Colt carbine after the AWB went into effect (story in its self). Give me a couple days after Christmas and I'll let you know how crappy they are.