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Weak Alliant Website

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by cderk, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. cderk

    cderk

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    Is it just me, or does anyone else find that the info on Power Pistol load data on the Alliant website weak?

    I have some 147g CMJ plated bullets that I'm trying to load for 9mm. The only 147g bullets they list are for GDHPs. I emailed them through their website a few days ago and have not gotten any response.

    Does anyone have any load data for 147g using PP?

    Thanks

    -cd
     
  2. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

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    Almost no one list Plated Bullet data on their website. Your in the world between Lead and Jacketed so you need to do some homework. The Lyman Manual would help you a lot. But I will give you the data. 1.058" OAL. 4.1-4.6grs. 1033 fps at max. Use it at your own risk. Buy the manual.
     


  3. dudel

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    +1. The web sites generally give you starting loads. The manual will give more detailed and complete loadings. Buy the manual (or get the loadbooks for the caliber you want).
     
  4. cderk

    cderk

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    Thanks for the reply. I realize that one has to improvise slightly, but I'm just surprised that all they list were GDHP. My Lyman manual is on its way to me as we speak. I have the Lee book... but it seems like its lacking good data.

    I've loaded 10 each of 4.6, 4.8 and 5.0g with an OAL of 1.145. My local reloading shop has Frontier bullets from South Africa. Never heard of them, but they are fairly inexpensive ($65 for 750).

    Thanks again,
    -cd
     
  5. PCJim

    PCJim Senior Member

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    Actually, it is not surprising at all, when you consider that both Alliant and Speer are owned by ATK...

    http://www.alliantpowder.com/general/links.aspx
     
  6. cderk

    cderk

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    How nice of them to "keep in in the family". I finally got a response from them.

    115 gr lead bullet
    Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
    Unique start 4.5 max 5 grs
    Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

    115 gr jacketed bullet
    Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
    Unique start 4.5 grs max 5.5 grs
    Power Pistol start 5.9 grs max 6.3 grs

    124/125 gr lead
    Bullseye start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
    Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
    Power Pistol start 4.8 grs max 5.3 grs

    124/125 gr jacketed
    Bullseye start 3.9 grs max 4.3 grs
    Unique start 4.5 grs max 5 grs
    Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

    147 gr lead
    Bullseye start 2.8 grs max 3.3 grs
    Unique start 3.2 grs max 3.6 grs
    Power Pistol start 4 grs max 4.5 grs

    147 gr jacketed
    Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
    Power Pistol start 4.5 grs max 5 grs

    Note: Start with the minimum charge wt. Reload just a few and be sure they will properly cycle the action of your pistol before reloading a quantity.
     
  7. PCJim

    PCJim Senior Member

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    And, with their reply, you still have no specific plated bullet data from Alliant.

    As a general rule, do not exceed the mid-level charge for a jacketed bullet.
     
  8. Philippe

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    I agree, I love their products but the website for loading data sucks.
     
  9. fredj338

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    It's why we advocate mutliple manuals so you can better extrapolate data. Accurate is the only one I am aware of that has some plated data. Load plated using starting lead data or just a bit higher & you'll be fine. I just ran some PP test loads w/ 147grLTC, I'll let you know the data when I get home this afternoon.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2011
  10. I love Alliant powders....but their website/data blows!!!!
     
  11. cowboy1964

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    Yeah it's pretty lame. Almost all of their recipes for pistols are for Gold Dot JHPs.
     
  12. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Gold Dots are plated bullets.

    And, there was a time when people didn't demand specific data for every single bullet known to Mankind.
     
  13. fredj338

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    Always keep in mind that internet data, even from the smartest guys, is really not vetted/pressure tested data & should be approached w/ caution.
     
  14. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    Okay to clarify, are these CMJ (Complete Metal Jacket) or Plated 147g's :dunno:
     
  15. cderk

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    Sorry, yes, they are CMJ...
    I would assume that you would use the same recipe as a FMJ... but you know what they say about assuming things :whistling:

    -cd
     
  16. dla

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    Alliant's information in general is terrible. There are so many good powders out there today that I don't bother with Alliant precisely because they can't be bothered to publish decent load data anymore.

    They used to, but some rocket-scientist at Alliant decided that the new "recipe based" approach was best.

    Probably one more reason why they were swallowed up. I don't miss them. Like I said, there are too many good powders out there today. I suppose for the nimrods who can't get past "Elmer used it" thinking, Alliant's demise was wrenching.
     
  17. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I use Speer GDHP load data for power pistol and 147 CMJ's
     
  18. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    Demise? You can't buy a book or email Alliant to get data and that means they have gone out of business? There is more data for Alliant powders available, and much of it is old and therefore will actually get a bullet out of the barrel, than any of the new wonder powders. Powders that have been in continuous production for 100 years have 100 years of data.

    I wanted data for Power Pistol and a 180 cast bullet in 40SW and didn't have any since it PP is newer than any of my manuals. I emailed Alliant and got an answer with specific data from Ben Ammonet in a day or so. Great products, great support.
     
  19. dbarry

    dbarry Silver Member

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    +1 on great products, great support. I've emailed them and got prompt response from Ben too.