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  1. RussP

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    certifiedfunds, Ruble Noon, you guys are rank amateurs.

    What Massachusetts and/or Federal law(s) did the officer violate?

    What is the penalty for violating that/those law(s)?

    What is the process for seeking charges against that officer?

    I look forward to your educated responses.
     

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  2. RussP

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    4949, would you please change the offensive word to, oh, take your choice, all are synonyms: obstinate - headstrong - stubborn, or all three.

    Thanks...

    And, no, certifiedfunds, I do not believe that is a violation of the rules regardless of who made it. If you disagree, please, feel free to report the post to Eric, mentioning the specific word "PIGHEADED" by clicking on the [​IMG] icon.

    If there are any other offensive words in the thread, report those as well.

    It has, however, been my experience in my 10+ years here, that Eric has a low tolerance for nuisance, unsubstantiated reports of rules violations. He eventually closes threads where the discussion has degraded to that level of bickering.
     

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    Umm okay. Where does the money that they take out of your check come from?
     
  4. Ruble Noon

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    Yeah well, I can't speak for CF but I don't go around sweeping innocent people the muzzle of my guns.
     
  5. RussP

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    Guess I have to ask again...
    Okay, you object to the officer's behavior, right?

    Do you want him punished for that behavior?
     
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    Any room for a realistic response to pointing guns.

    The officer should receive training. That's it. Muzzle discipline is important. It stops you from shooting things you don't want to shoot. Now, once the shooting starts, the rules change. Considering the fact that the POS bomber was likely to be only in one house, pointing guns at all of them is an unnecessary risk.

    And yes, I know, IF the POS bomber had been in the window pointing a gun instead of another kid pointing a camera, he could have had the drop on one of the officers. He would have then given away his position, and the entire force would have born down on his location. We call it trolling for fire. One guy walks out a little a head of the rest on foot patrol, and if he gets shot at, everyone knows where to start shooting. I know that sounds crazy, but considering the body armor and bad aim of the average bad guy.....


    My advice, is that until the shooting starts, keep your weapon ready, but pointed in a safe direction. Once engaged, still take the time to identify your target before touching the trigger.
     
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    Called out? What does that mean? No, I don't like authority. I behave without it just fine.

    Who the hell likes authority?
     
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    Which part is incorrect?
     
  9. RussP

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    Yep, sounds good...
     
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    It is not a put down at all. Some things we did right and there are some things we need work on. One picture shows one thing that we might want to learn something from. A picture says a thousand words.

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    I guess that you just can't figure out from my rather explicit explanation that I was referring to the captioning of that picture. It is a distortion and we call that a lie.
     
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    No one is perfect. I've never seen a single military operation in training or in combat that was flawless.

    I think the guys comparing the police to nazi's and JBT's are way out of line.

    It happened, no civilians were hurt in that search, there are some lessons to learn, so we learn them and prepare. Preparing is the most important part, because this will not be the last time this happens in our lifetimes.
     
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    This is an important point and separates the folks who have done some things from those who haven't. No human endeavor goes perfectly. It seems as though some people don't know this and point to flaws, errors, and mistakes as a failure of the whole operation. If flaws, errors and mistakes were "failures" then that pretty much means the human race and everything it's done so far has been a failure.

    The chance of mistakes being made rises exponentially with the number of people involved, but if a task physically requires a number of people the wise person expects errors to happen. That does not condone or mean they will be ignored, they certainly shouldn't, that is why you have AARs and debriefings and generally a "lesson's learned" set of rules and guidelines that come down after a large operation.

    Almost instantly pulling that many people together for an operation like that is a daunting task. There will be problems, the experienced person knows that.

    Let me ask a question of the critics.

    How are LEAs supposed to "practice" for such situations and explore better ways to do it?

    I seem to hear a lot of screaming and teeth gnashing any time any LEA drills, or conducts a training exercise on public streets. "Oh no, they are practicing to oppress us"

    So how are they to improve their performance since training scares folks just as bad, actually much worse, than an actual operation?
     
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    Good points...
     
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    By your reasoning, I will be out of a job long before I will be out of my pension.

    But thanks for your contribution just the same.
     
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    Russ, no problem.
     
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    You have been identified as an anti authority figure.

    Some people can deal with it a lot better than others, as is shown here.

    Sorry, but I am not falling for your "bait."

    EDIT: Since you dislike police so much, why not make a movement to dissolve them?
     
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    Who made this asinine statement?

     
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    You reap what you sow.
     
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    They were practicing for an event like this at the Boston Marathon at the same time and same place. They are also going to be conducting "terror" drills in Denver, Portsmouth,NH and D.C. so the likelihood of another "terror" attack is high.
     
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