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Vietnam Era 1911

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by LarryD1130, Nov 1, 2009.


  1. LarryD1130

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    My dad got drafted to go to Vietnam in 1969 and he was in Nam all of 1970 until he got his purple heart. He was in the Army's 11th Armored Calvary a.k.a. Blackhorse Regiment and they were recently awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. He drove a tank and he always talks about how nice his .45 was and how much he wished he had one right now. We went to a gun show today and a guy had a Colt 1911 and he wanted $1600 for it and my dad said it was kinda like that one but he didn't want to spend that much.

    How can I find the EXACT .45 he had when his was in the service?
     

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    Assuming that it was a 1911A1...you've got five to choose from. There were no "Vietnam Era" pistols. The final contracts ended in 1945, and there were none delivered to the US government after that, beyond maybe a few overrun slides that Colt had'em nailed down to.

    It could have been one of the following...in order of most likely to least likely

    Remington Rand...Colt...Ithaca...Union Switch & Signal...Singer.

    Since there's also the distinct possibility that it was an arsenal refurbished gun, and it could have been a Colt Switch & Signal or an Ithaca Rand, or any combination thereof...including the possibility that any of the above mentioned frames could be wearing a Savage slide.

    It can get confusin'.
     

  3. Jason D

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    Mayhaps you can get him one that looked like the one he showed you.
    Maybe a new S70 Colt, or a Springfield GI.
     
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    I agree with Jason D
     
  5. tous

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    GET A ROPE!

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    I was issued a 1911A1 with a Colt frame and a Singer slide in 1972. It had the worst refurb Parkerizing job I have ever seen. It looked like a three-year-old did it as a finger painting project. The holster was new and was web, not leather. I think they made the magazines for the Battle of Hastings. We could keep our sidearms with us, but had to fill out 13 forms in triplicate and get our mother's permission to pry any ammunition out of the quartermaster.

    But, it locked and it fired.

    We also had some 1903A4s in our arms locker, so we were more than prepared to repel boarders. However, we pretty much shot at folk with our 5" mounts mostly. :cowboy:
     
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    My father carried a Colt 1911 when he was an officer in the Navy from 1959 to 1963. He recently purchased a new blued Colt Series 70 Reproduction for $999 and he said it looks so close that he can't tell the difference. He recently obtained a leather US Navy holster and web belt for it as well.

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  7. 1911Tuner

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    Since we're showin' off...Here's my minty Remington Rand...certified/documented as an original, and in 98% condition. Well...it was mine until about 3 months ago. A friend of mine in Tennessee worried me to death about that pistol for almost 5 years...so I finally relented and sold it to him for his collection. I have other Rands, and a Union Switch that's almost as good as this one.

    SN resolves to August 1945...one of the last ones produced.

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  8. 1911Tuner

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    Here's a "Black Army Colt" with a mid-March 1919 production date. One of the last 2500 that Colt delivered to the Army under the first contract. Certified as 90% original...because they really can't certify one much closer than that if it's ever been issued due to small parts replacements. Springs...Sears...Disconnects, etc...but the gun was very likely liberated early on in its life. It shows little indication of actual use, and it'll shoot under 4 inches at 50 yards from the bags with 200 SWC handloads..which it also feeds as smoothly as ball. Hollowpoints too. My Rands, the Union Switch Twins, and the GI Colts will duplicate that, though the accuracy isn't quite as sharp in one of the Colts.

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    I have never been so jealous of a gun but the orig. 1911 .45 just does it for me.
    I NEED to get one at some point....
     
  10. deadite

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    Yow, look at the size of those mitts!

    Is that 1911 a miniature? :whistling:

    Nice 1911, btw. :)

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  11. 1911Tuner

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    Yep. Hard to describe, but they even feel different in your hand.


    Larry...If all you want for your father is something close to the real McCoy, have a look at the Springfield GI Mil-Spec. It's about as close as they come without costing big bucks. Colt marketed a WW2 reissue in limited numbers for a time. A little hard to come by now, and a bit pricey...but they can be found. Nice pistols. Not what I'd use for a common range beater, but completely functional and made to shoot...if only occasionally.

    The originals...nice examples...are mondo expensive. Even the prolific Remington Rands are selling as high as 3,000 bucks for ones as nice as mine.
    Union Switch and Signal pistols are highly collectible, and nice originals are off the scale. Forget the Singers. With only 500 produced, and probably fewer than 350 originals known to exist...they are command prices in the high double-digit thousands. I think one sold not long ago on Gunbroker for 75 large.

    Short answer...That's a lot of money to put into a gun that you don't really want to shoot...and if you do shoot it...you really, really want to limit it to just enough to verify function.

    If you decide to go for an original...be sure that you know what you're getting. Ask for documentation, or ask the seller to let you take the gun for examination and verification by someone who knows what they're looking at.
    There are unscrupulous sellers who will represent a parts gun as a correct or original gun. Don't get ripped off.
     
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  12. deadite

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    Here's my liberated Colt 1911 made in 1918. :)

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  13. 1911Tuner

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    A thing of beauty and character, deadite. From what I can see, it appears to be at least era-correct, if not mostly original.

    Very few completely originals still around. If they've been in service, even for AIT training/familiarization purposes...you can bet that something has been replaced...if no more than the springs or a pin or a grip screw. Many parts were replaced at unit level as a matter of course or schedule, whether they were worn out or not.
     
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    Thanks!

    I know that at some point or another one side of the grip panels was replaced during WWII and also the barrel. I know it wasn't after the war because I got it from my mentor who was in the Army Air Corps during WWII and I know he didn't change anything on it after he liberated it. :)

    I personally know that the hammer was replaced with a period correct hammer because I replaced it. ;) The hammer hooks were rusted off and it was unsafe to fire. (Imagine a full-auto 1911.) I still have the hammer, though. Oh yeah, the pictured grip screws aren't correct, either, but I do have the originals. They were buggered up pretty good. Other than that, I think it's correct.

    Even the magazine that's not two-toned is technically correct. I checked out the stamp on the floorplate and it's an "A" which was period correct.

    I love old 1911's :)

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    I will suggest a Springfield Armory Mil Spec for about $600.
    Please tell your dad thanks a lot for his service.
     
  16. LarryD1130

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    He wants an old one. I showed him a couple nice NEW 1911's, some that look like the old ones, but he is kinda stubborn and said he doesn't want a new one. The 1911 I saw at the gun show for $1600 kinda looked like the first one 1911Tuner has but I know it said Colt on the slide.
     
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    In that case take a look on GunBroker.com and try to score a Colt Series 70 maybe.
     
  18. LarryD1130

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    I like all 1911's but I planned on getting a Kimber but not anytime soon because I rather buy an AR-15 before that. Those Colt Series 70 are nice but they are expensive too. The SA Mil Spec looked pretty nice and it's a decent price. If I buy any 1911 he will like it until I can buy him the one he wants.

    What is the best 1911 you can get for $650 or under?
     
  19. Narkcop

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    The best 1911 for under $650.00 would be the Springfield. It sounds like you want the Springfield G.I. and not the Mil Spec. The G.I. looks like the original G.I. with the smaller fixed sights. Springfield 1911'S are a lot of gun for the money.
     
  20. 1911Tuner

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    Them's git-tar player's hands, dead. One of my three passions that I've been at since about 1963.

    Guitar...Dogs...and 1911 pistols. Come to think of it...pretty passionate over single-action revolvers too. :cool:

    I saw several WW1-era 1911 pistols in Vietnam. By the time they were phased out in '83, some of'em had been in service for over 70 years...and they still worked just fine.
     
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