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Vicker's Shooting Clinic Notes

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by Big Bird, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. mjkeat


    Jun 17, 2009
    Surf, good as always and backed up by experience.

    I have been hearing a lot of people talking about fixed or BUIS in the upright position while shooting. Even the instructor at the carbine class I took 2 weeks ago supported this method. I have been trying to hold out for some time but will be shooting this way at this weekends class. W/ all these high level shooters doing it and the experience relayed in support of this method I would be stupid not to try it out.
  2. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    I currently use a fixed rear, and don't mind it, but I prefer a folding rear, folded.

    At the ranges it would be an issue the Aimpoint can be used as a rear sight. In the very low odds of it going down that is. If I don't have time for that, odds are, i'm either going to pistol or may be totally screwed anyways.

    Still prefer the scope be clear, even in a lower third, but in the end, it's personal preference.

  3. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    Went back and got one of the targets we used in class last weekend.

    The head measures 6" High and 6.5" wide with the 1" black square in the middle. So as I recall I was holding at the top of the head which means 3" high. And I was consistently hitting the black square.

    The black "bull" in the middle of the target measured 5.5 inches in diameter meaning I was holding at the top of the black and making COM shots or about 2.75" high.

    Huh...I thought that bull looked about 6" across.

    In any case "holding" isn't exactly what I'd call keeping the dot moving in a circle in about that location when you are doing timed cadence drills... ;)
  4. surf


    Jul 7, 2010
    This is a big mistake IMO and most modern trainers, or generally the top notch guys, understand the advantages that can be gleaned from the shooting sports world or competition shooters. Trying to keep them completely separate and not not intermixing styles or techniques is IMO a big mistake.

    Being open minded about techniques that actually works for whatever style, even in combat shooting is what keeps us progressing. Too many people want to poo poo things because it was a "competition thing". This is plain ignorance. Now I am not saying to adapt something "just because" it may be the flavor of the month, but if it is trained, practiced and vetted as an improvement, it does not matter who came up with it.

    I also have no problem with people who use weapons for critical use or defensive purposes to also intermix in the shooting sports world. Having said that, I do not shoot competition, but my style is definitely a fusion of techniques that directly find their roots in the competition world. I do not teach competition shooting. I am still working actively on full time teams but I do I teach almost full time which is primarily in the advanced tactical or combat shooting realm. I have no civilian students and all of my students are Federal, State, Local LE or Military. I teach my style which is a fusion of varying styles, competition included.

    This is a reward type of drill, where students run to the ragged edge of their own performance envelope and to the point of failure. It shows them their own limits and capabilities, but it is definitely a fun competitive thing with other students. The blend of combat shooting and competition techniques are clearly visible. The efficacy of a combat shooter trained in this manner is devastating.

    Again this is one of my students that is currently in our training program.

  5. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    There's no doubt that competition--when kept in context--can significantly enhance your ability to do the real deal when you need to. Competition teaches the ability to focus and perform under pressure--sometimes intense pressure. You learn a lot about yourself and your teammates through competition that I feel has direct bearing on how you perform under real combat.

    Least in my experience it did.

    Trust want the guys with the drive to win on your side when the real thing goes down. Mindset, and the proven ability to focus and perform under pressure will beat the best trained quitters in the world every day. I believe that with all my heart.
  6. TattooedGlock

    TattooedGlock NRA LIFE MEMBER

    Jun 21, 2006
    South Texas
    I love the brake on my POF. Does it give me ultimate control? Of course not. But it does help. After switching to an ACOG I no longer use BUIS due to the magnification, which my tired eyes really love. I may throw a BUIS on some offset mounts just to have it, but haven't decided yet.

    Thanks for taking the time to write the AAR. I've been through a few schools and it's always great to learn new things. One thing I've learned over the years is that you might now use or agree with everything you learn, but if you come away with one new tool then it's money well spent.
  7. wrx04


    Sep 25, 2008
    Good review. I took that same course last March and learned a lot. I need to sign up for a few more this year.

    Did you win the dollar game?:supergrin:
  8. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    No, I hit the top of the circle around George Washington's face.

    But I shot it standing up on my hind legs like a man...not crawling on my belly like a snake...:supergrin: