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Viability of .22 magnum as a defensive caliber

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by darwin25, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    I just bought a 6 round .22 magnum revolver from a fellow BOG for a very reasonable price. I expected to get a a S&W revolver. But the gun far exceeded my expectation. It is a piece of Jewel. Its a 3.5 inch barrel Model 51.

    I imeediately bought 1HKS speedloader before the meet so I can test it with revolver. The accuracy is A1. The action is very smooth. DA pull is about 9 to 10 lbs. SA pull is about 2 1/2 lbs. Weight is about 25 lbs. Then I bought another HKS speedloader so I already got two of them. Its definitely a keeper. The finish of the gun is very good.

    as soon as I got home, I immediatle detailed strip the gun and found out that the parts are in very good condition. I lubed the all and now the action is even more smoother. Shooting the revolver, I found that it has very good accuracy. Recoil is almost none existent and even more with Pachmayr Gripper.

    This will be the most versatile gun I will ever have. It will be my designated car gun.

    Ate Edna of PB Dionisio told me that on the next guns show, they will be introducing a 9- shot .22 magnum by Ruger. I haven't heard ar read anything yet about the gun so Im gonna do some research.

    Anybody thinks that a 6 shot .22 magnum revolver with 2 speedloaders loaded with Remingtons is a viable defensive handgun?

    BTW, its very good dealing with you Alexxi.

    Can anybody please teach me how to post pics so I can show you guys my new piece of jewel? ;f ;f ;f
  2. Hello, darwin

    My father has one of those classic S&W 22 magnums, and still in pristine condition. He's quite proud of it, and looking forward to the day he'd turn it over to me, just like the excellent Remington 870 shotgun he gave me last year.

    We tried the Remington softpoints/hollow points at Cavite one time using hollow blocks as target, and easily made mincemeat out of them. Truly a sweet shooting gun, and to me with experience in the snappy recoil of 9mm's and major 45's, it shoots without undesirable recoil and smooth trigger. So easy to shoot POA.

    As to its defensive value, I wouldn't want to stand downrange with someone holding a gun that easy to hit as aimed. :cool:

    PS: Where did you get those speedloaders?

  3. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    I bought it at Tools Trading sa 3rd floor Robinson's Fairview. Its a good resource for speedloaders. Ask the Model HKS-48K. They also have 9 shot speedloaders for the Taurus .22 LR and a lot of other hard to find speed loaders.
  4. I had an S&W .22 magnum revolver a long time ago. With hollow points, and at normal handgun range (10 meters or less), in my opinion that gun is good enough as a self-defense weapon.

    Try firing it into a tree (hollow point ammo.) I did. The damage and penetration you see will boost your confidence.

    The only problem I had was that the spent cases were sometimes difficult to extract after rapid fire, owing to heat expansion of the cases. Verify you don't have that problem or your speedloader will be useless for rapid fire.
  5. jundeleon


    Aug 31, 2003
    Is it safe to fire 22lr rounds in a 22mag revolver?

    Does it follow the same principle as a 38spl/357 magnum or 44 spl/44magnum?
  6. Agree. This happens particularly when we use local Armscor or PMC bullets. Only after testing a whole boxful of Remington softpoints / hollowpoints did we stick to that brand exclusively for use in my father's gun.

    No, it won't. The case length of the LR is too short,though both are rimfire cartridges. I suppose using LR's will unnessesarily erode the innards of the chamber

    Thanks a lot, darwin

    I'll pay a visit to their shop one of these days. ;)
  7. As New_Comer said, no this is not safe. The .22 magnum case has different dimensions. (Also,.22magnum ammo is much more expensive than .22lr.)

    There are some threads in other forums which classify the .22magnum as an "underrated" caliber. It certainly is much more powerful than .25acp, but of course that is not saying much.
  8. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

    Nov 21, 2002
    Dr. B. Eye
    the main issue with the .22 caliber as used for defense/carry is over penetration.
  9. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

    Nov 14, 2001
    Delta Quadrant
    That's good, so lack of penetration isn't a problem with this round? We just have to select a good JHP round that'll expand reliably. That makes it viable as a car gun, i.e., bullets maintaining its trajectory after shattering car windows at oblique angles.

    Darwin25's .22 Magnum revolver is extremely accurate. I was able to squeeze in six shots in the 2x4 inch A-zone of the target's head 10 feet away. Changed my opinions on revolvers outright. Now I seem to want one in lieu of a 1911. More sleepless nights. Bummer.;)
  10. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

    Nov 21, 2002
    Dr. B. Eye
    imagine a projectile travelling at over 2000 fps. and that's just the .22LR round. imagine the velocity of the .22Magnum! more than 3000 fps!

    i'd gladly have one than nothing at all
  11. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    HAHAHA. The moment I squeezed my first shot, I decided that I will not give you a chance to back out of the deal;f ;z. I was very satisfied that I did not haggle with the price. ;f
  12. zorkd


    Sep 2, 2004
    more like 2700 fps is the maximum velocity you can get from a .22 mag, and that's from a rifle, using cartridges that fire a 30 gr bullet.

    as for .22 lr, the fastest i've seen claimed is like 1500 fps, for the yellow jacket remington stuff.

    the remington stuff is devastating on rats, even big ones.
  13. Vault Keeper

    Vault Keeper

    Sep 14, 2004
    The Vault
    Dapat pala yan nalang ginamit ng anak ni Jawo instead of the big ones (m14's...);f ;f ;f
  14. That's too much. Here's Remington's ballistic chart for the 22 mag fired from a rifle I presume:

    .22 Win. Mag.
    Cartridge Type Order No. Weight (grs.) Bullet Style
    .22 Win. Mag. Premier PR22M1 33 V-Max™
    .22 Win. Mag. R22M1 40 Jacketed Hollow Point
    .22 Win. Mag. R22M2 40 Pointed Soft Point

    Velocity (ft./sec.)
    Energy (ft.-lbs.)
    Cartridge Type Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds.
    33-gr. V-Max™ 2000 1730 1495 293 219 164
    40-gr. JHP 1910 1610 1350 324 230 162
    40-gr. PSP 1910 1600 1340 324 230 162

    Long-Range Trajectory*
    Cartridge Type 50 yds. 100 yds. 150 yds.
    33-gr. V-Max™ 0.6 0.0 -4.3
    40-gr. JHP 0.9 0.0 -5.7
    40-gr. PSP 1.0 0.0 -5.8

    *Note: Figures derived with sights 1.5" above axis of bore.

    Say there's a 30-40% reduction in velocity. That's still a supersonic 1200fps 40grain slug capable of expanding up to .32 cal, as I've seen in the now defunct

    I certainly wouldn't feel undergunned with a 6-shot 22mag revolver, with its excellent shootability and highly penetrative round.
  15. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    Here it is guys.

    My Smith & Wesson Model 51 with 1 speedloader and Smith & Wesson HRT Tactical Folder
  16. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    S&W M51 and Daewoo DP51
  17. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    S&W M51 with 2 HKS speedloaders
  18. Guwapo talaga ^c

    Magkano nga pala HKS speedloader?
  19. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

    Nov 14, 2001
    Delta Quadrant
    It didn't look that good when it was with me.;f

    Seriously, I'm happy that gun found a new owner. It sure deserves a better treatment than being stashed away for another decade.