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Vest expired, bought personal and now denied to use it.

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by DoogieHowser, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. DoogieHowser

    DoogieHowser Eh

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    Our undershirt vests expired awhile ago and I bought my own ceramic vest as ours were only lv2 to begin with. This allowed me to add rifle protection by throwing that vest on in an as needed basis.

    We had an all hands respond call for a student with a gun inside an eating facility threatening to shoot an employee. I work for a private college, I responded and was second on scene threw on vest and we took care of the call. Another officer who has a blatant dislike for me took it upon himself to go to the Chief about my vest knowing full well our Sgt didn't care. I get called into the office today and told that I need to ensure that all patches and badge are displayed while wearing said vest. I said not a problem that was already being done, escaped from the office and thought I was set. Get another phone call stating that the Chief explicitly forbade my use of the vest for any reason and do not let it ever enter any of our vehicles.

    FML seriously!? I've got a wife and a kid coming in 3 weeks. :steamed:
     
  2. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    Their argument will be it looks to "aggressive" or "military". Might make some of the libtards on campus heads explode if they see it.


    You got a Wife and kid coming in 2 weeks? was that a package deal from Amazon?

    "Customers who bought this (wife) also bought this (Baby) get both for a discounted price."

    :tongueout::wavey:
     


  3. merlynusn

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    Then you should demand them provide you with the appropriate vest.

    You can always mention that if you get hurt because of a lack of safety equipment when you have yours readily available, will result in a $50 million lawsuit against them.

    I guess that tactic would depend on your status there. But you could casually mention it to someone within earshot of the Chief.
     
  4. razdog76

    razdog76 Heavy Mettle

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    Every agency has at least one of those type of coworkers. They are best handled by only associating with them by handling calls with them, and not talking to them outside of that.

    People on college campuses are easily frightened by looking too tactical, but on the other hand it would be easy to remind how expensive it will become if you are wounded/killed while wearing their expired vest. One of the few places more political than a Sheriff's Office.

    Seems like it probably would have been better to buy a concealable IIIa (out of sight, out of mind).
     
  5. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

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    I would suggest that the wife write a letter to whomever pays the chief...Board of reagents or similar body of do gooders..

    Letter should use big words like OUTDATED.. EXPIRED... LIABILITY...NEGLIGENCE...ATTORNEY...
     
  6. DoogieHowser

    DoogieHowser Eh

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    Fail... at least it was some humor :faint:I have a wife, (Comma) and a daughter born in roughly in 3 weeks.

    Agreed, should have got a concealed 3a but that still doesn't protect against rifle, there I go again trying to be pro-active and becoming the nail that sticks up to be hammered again. It was cheaper actually to go ceramic got a great deal from a guy that sells at a discount to LE.

    My wife is going to be pretty pissed when she finds out, I think I might get her to write a letter. I'll have to make sure I go through appropriate channels first just to CYA, I can't afford to be fired for something like this, my wife would be better off with the insurance check.
     
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  7. GackMan

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    Maybe get them to put in writing why they are forcing you to wear an expired piece of protective equipment.


    The 3A doesn't sit in your car 99% of the time either.
     
  8. DoogieHowser

    DoogieHowser Eh

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    True True, :embarassed: I'm waiting on an e-mail from them now so I can give the writing to my wife.
     
  9. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    Your boss if full of dung, if he thinks that their department can weather a law suit after you have tried all appropriate remedies to rectify this situation. Try out any grievance process that you have, and notify any governing agency that governs your college.
     
  10. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    No surprise that the Chief responded as he did, University Police Chiefs are more political shills than even your run of the mill talking head chief. They will always fall in line with the far left perspective of their masters and be more concerned with appearances than effectiveness.
     
  11. Wil Ufgood

    Wil Ufgood GTDS #88 CLM

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    Just curious, does your department have a written policy stating that personally purchased vests are prohibited?

    Your boss sounds like a class A ******.
     
  12. ateamer

    ateamer NRA4EVR

    I'd start keeping book on the ******* coworker and go straight to the university president and press after you have enough screwups documented. Those kind of rats are almost always idiots who have always gotten away with a lot of little things but have their noses so far up the chief's ass that it's been allowed to slide.

    If they want to screw with you, show them what it's like to play with a pro.
     
  13. First issue...It appears that your co-worker (cheese eater) needs to be spoken to and dealt with on your level......:whistling:

    Second issue....I would respectfully request that your supervisors (Sgt to Chief) put this in writing. Maybe their attitude will change, maybe it won't, but your Chief should be put on notice. Are you represented by a Union or is your position with the University a non-union / management position? (I feel your pain)..The bottom line is that I'd wear it anyway..Maybe next time, you could just throw a "Raid Jacket" over it, only if it's authorized, of course...:rofl:...Who's to know....:whistling:...Remember, it's your safety and your life. You owe it to your wife and child...
     
  14. RVER

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    Gotta say - do what every other guy advised so far. Good luck. Hopefully your empty sack co-worker doesn't fall down a flight of stairs a couple of times... With winter almost here things tend to get a little slippery, that's all.
     
  15. Snowman92D

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    I hate to run counter to much of the otherwise excellent advice you're being given here, but I have to ask. Are you a young guy just starting out in your career? If so, I'm assuming that you're looking to use your campus PD job as a stepping stone to a more "involved" job in LE. If that's true, do yourself a favor: If your wife complains, smile and tell her welcome to office politics. It's your turn in the barrel and she needs to get used to it.

    If you're a school cop, you are a necessary evil that is barely tolerated...and I mean barely...and your mere presence on campus sticks in the craw of the president and his board of regents. Bank on that. They're liberals who live in academia, which has no relationship with the reality that you base your reasoning on. Going around the chief to the president, or one of the regents, or an alumnus that you know will get you pegged as a trouble-maker and make you a bigger target than a cop is on an average day.

    The campus hierarchy doesn't understand your reality, or anyone else's for that matter. They reject reality, yours and everyone else's. Reality, and anybody who deals in reality, makes them feel very uncomfortable...and their impulse is to brush away anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. Policemen make them feel uncomfortable because you represent that 'reality' that they can't manage to spit out or swallow. Remember, the chief is their boy. He wouldn't have that job unless he was a sweep-it-under-the-rug type who is willing to let them bounce him like a basketball at their board meetings.

    It's your choice...all I'm saying is don't start a pissing contest that you may well lose. Just bide your time and move on to a better job when it comes available. Those people will never change and if you harbor any belief that the "academic community" will come to the "consensus" that there is a reality somewhere, other than their own, you'll find police work to be a bitter disappointment. Maybe you ought to let it ride for a couple of weeks and give it time to settle in your mind before deciding which way to go. Jobs are hard to come by right now, especially if you aren't an affirmative action candidate.

    Abdul and Rasheed are coming. Plus we have upcoming social trouble like nothing we've seen since the late 1960's, and a generation of people in this country for whom the word "no" has all but been erased. Obama's people won't be content to simply steal all the silverware when they have to leave the White House, like Bill Clinton's people did. They're not gonna go without taking the country down with them. We need guys like you who live in reality. Who can deal with people who deal in extremes. All of us here have been tossed in the barrel on more than one occasion on this job. This won't be last time for you, and I'm guessing it ain't the first. We understand the fix you're in. I'd just hate to see you become disillusioned or embittered by a group of people who aren't worth it right now. :beer:
     
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  16. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    I know how you feel, my wife needs a lot of foreplay too...

    Randy
     
  17. IGotIt

    IGotIt No Demlibtards

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    +1, AND, go a bit slower to those gun calls. Let Officer Tell the Chief get there first. Be safe, not sorry. You'll have many more gun calls in your career.
     
  18. Good for you man. (hippie voice) Fight the oppressive power that those Hippocrates force on you!

    In all seriousness I'm glad your doing something about it. Officer safety is numero uno #1 you make sure you go home to your family every night, we're not paid to be shot
     
  19. scottydl

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    You might want to schedule a meeting with the Chief to talk about the issue calmly and professionally. The #1 topic should be the fact that your vest is expired, which in turn explains the reason you purchased your own. Don't bring up your personal issues with other co-worker unless the conversation leads you there.

    I can't see why you'd get fired for a single issue like this unless you repeatedly disobey department orders, and are disciplined repeatedly.

    Meanwhile, start looking for a new LE job if you're not already doing so.