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Varget powder question

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by redbrd, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. redbrd

    redbrd

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    OK first post in the reloading forum so be gentle.
    Ok so I have been reloading 9mm and .45 on a rock chucker and lee 1000 for a bit. I am just starting to reload .223 on the single stage and have picked varget powder based on readings here. With .45 and 9mm the powder did not fill the cases any where near "case capacity" which is what I expect. With the varget 25.5 gr nearly fills the case to where it seems the bullet will be a tight fit with the bullet seated. 25.5 is the min load per the load data. This concerns me.
    I have zeroed my scale and re-weighed. Please educate me.
     
  2. n2extrm

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    First off I don't have any load data in front of me, so I can not say that you are at a starting load. I THINK I am a little lower but I am away from my data at the moment. Where did you get the data,what bullet weight and type, and finally what case are you using?

    .223 and Varget will give you a full case or a compressed load. Did you use a drop tube to fill the cases? This will help settle the powder. If you are using military cases then you may have to back down a little. Military cases have less capacity.
     


  3. Three-Five-Seven

    Three-Five-Seven Señor Mombo Millennium Member

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    That's more than I use and more than the maximum in my manuals.

    I.E. that's a hot load.
     
  4. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

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    I’ve been loading a lot of .223 using Varget. I’ve been working up a load for my wife’s Savage bolt gun. In fact I just loaded some this morning. 25.5 gr. and 26.0 gr. to see which if either perform best with a .55 gr. SNSP bullet. I loaded from minim to max and 25.5 and 26.0 shoots best and perform pretty closely in this particular rifle. In my Lyman manual, for a 55.0 gr. bullet 25.0 gr. is minim and 27.6 is maxim. Yes Varget does fill the .223 case nicely. 27 + comes right uo to the top and will be a compressed load. In fact 26.0 puts powder right to the top of shoulder / base of the neck.
     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2011
  5. redbrd

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    I got the load data from the load data included with the lee die set. The Varget container listed 27.5gr which is the max load according to the lee data. My speer manuel#14 lists 25-27gr. This is for 55gr bullets using cci400 primers. Brass is mixed collection of once fired xm193 and xm855 5.56 brass with some remington .223 in the mix as well.
     
  6. redbrd

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    Thanks Jerry and all. This is my first rifle reloading project and I was just not accustomed to filling a case like that.
     
  7. GIockGuy24

    GIockGuy24 Bring M&M's

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    Lee uses the load data from the powder companies. Your load data is the same as on the Hodgdon website for a 55 grain bullet.
     
  8. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Yep. All of my .223 / Varget loads are slightly compressed.

    Finding a powder that fills the case is generally considered desirable in rifle reloading.
     
  9. MrOldLude

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    Your load book might/should call out if the load is compressed. My 69 gr SMK's have a pronounced crunch when I seat them.
     
  10. sourdough44

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    Yes, a little compressed is fine, as long as your charges are reasonable & you follow procedures. I usually go a little faster with the 223 & 50-55 grn bullets, TAC, Exterminator, or H-4895.
     
  11. dbarry

    dbarry Silver Member

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    what steve said...
     
  12. fredj338

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    Powder compression is not that big a deal in rifle rounds, depending on powder of course, & desireable in most cased. My most accurate loads come form slightly compressed charges. Varget is not particulalry fast for the 223. You can use a drop tube to offer more uniform compression, but you should be fine.
     
  13. Max1775

    Max1775 Marine Infidel

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    Redbird,
    Fred is spot on. I load a ton of 223 with Varget. 25.5 is a good load. Don't worry about compression. I'm using a Lee Classic Turret and with the Auto Disk. My drops vary from 25.4 to 25.6 under a 55 grain FMJ at 2.200" Nice light load for plinking and steels and also cycles my AR very reliably.