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Union members, help me understand something.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by jutland, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. KenMac


    Nov 21, 2011

    Exactly! I never relied on the union to keep my job for me... I did that by being a good employee. The union was there to negotiate wages and benefits. The bad part of being unionized is that the worst employee in any job class makes the same as the best and most productive employee. Merit raises are nonexistent.
  2. ampeg500


    Jun 7, 2012
    I'm actually making more at my current non-union job than I was at my old union job. And it's a much nicer place to be. Union membership has been gradually dwindling for the past 70 years...

  3. If our techs don't perform to the expectation of our supervisor and manager, they get laid off or fired. As a technician myself, I expect the other techs to pull their own weight. We get paid the same to do the same job. Not for me to do it for them. I've kept my job with the same company for over 30 years by being a good employee. I don't know about up north but here in Florida, bad employees don't keep their job in our company. That includes crybabies. If my boss tells me to wash his car, I'm getting out the bucket and suds. He's the guy that pays me. Then I send a check to the hall for dues. Not the other way around. Merit raises are in the form of a percentage above scale. When we need a new tech, it's as simple as calling the hall to see who's available if not locally, anywhere in the US. First and foremost, the best way to be a good union member is to be a good employee. Otherwise we contribute to the anti-union bunch no different than the bad firearms owners feeding the Brady Bunch to the frustration of the NRA and it's members. Union members should strive to be the best employees. Unfortunately, that's not showing to be the case a little too often.
  4. AWoods


    Dec 20, 2009
    It's nearly impossible for two people to do the same job, with the same level of quality, and the same level of efficiency. The job would have to be absolutely mindless, utterly simple, and at the same time, not something you can automate or make better in any way including working harder.

    When people get paid the same, it's an injustice. It can only happen when the more valuable people have their pay reduced and the less valuable people have their pay increased.

    This is the essence of socialism.
  5. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

    Apr 23, 2008
    I think you hit the nail on the head here.

  6. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Jan 16, 2005
    No, in fact, that's BS. Tell it to the state police captain who made the papers after getting caught with with one of them 10 years after the strike. Far as I know, the one I fired is still not registered to its owner. I never meant to imply that they were legal and they aren't. They may very well have been registered at one somebody. During this particular strike, one owner had several, new in the box, that he gave to the guys who used them. I know of at least 2 of them turning up later - 1 I fired and 1 that made the papers.

    I've run into a lot more illegal factory full-autos than that. Heck a guy tried to trade a friend of mine an M3 greasegun for a pistol in Perry Co. (auto and unregistered) back in the 80's - he almost went for it. They are fairly plentiful here, as are explosives (at the time we were No. 1 in America for criminal bombings - I've seen a truck load of blasting caps stolen just to sell the aluminum wire for recycling).

    Must be nice to know that much from sitting on your couch surfing the internet.:upeyes:
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  7. larry_minn

    larry_minn Silver Member Millennium Member

    Dec 16, 1999
    FFR Spyder GT. I don't find Bern's post unbelievable at all. Growing up I had contact with a number of full auto. That were NOT legit. At age 17 I told the folks I knew to NEVER talk about, show me them again. (as I was going into LEO as a profession)
    Also it is common knowledge that weapons were used as "strike breakers".
  8. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

    Apr 23, 2008
    There are LOTS of unregistered FA weapons out there.
  9. Roger1079


    Mar 22, 2008
    South FL
    Shame on you for even saying such a thing. I am sure even the weapons from the Fast & Furious disaster were in the NFA registry too.

  10. So our military is socialist? They are mindless, utterly simple and an injustice? More valuable people get more perks and privileges and often move into management positions. Less valuable people don't make it to full scale or get let go.
  11. handyman


    Aug 3, 2008

    That is correct there are two sides, both share some blame.
  12. +1. I think that has been the best post on the subject. Honest and to the point without the childish hysterics, blame shifting and name calling.
  13. holesinpaper


    Nov 18, 2009
  14. whoflungdo


    Jul 15, 2008
  15. roadgrader


    Apr 24, 2009
    Today's unions are extensions and banks for the Demoncrap party. The purpose of a union is to perpetuate itself and nothing more. A union would rather destroy a company and thereby lose its members their jobs, bene's and pension than negotiate anything reasonable that would enable the company to survive, become profitable again and hire more people. How does the union benefit its members in this case?

    I've been a union member and all they did was take my money.
  16. GeneralSnafu


    Jan 15, 2009
    I had a friend who in the early '70s was a pilot with Eastern and earning just under $70K a year. He voted with the union to let them go under, over a 5% pay cut. This resulted in a glut of pilots and other airline employees looking for non-existent jobs.

    Then he started having problems making the payments on two houses, his Corvette, his wifes Jaguar, the boat and private school for the kids. He even turned down a job offer with a $60K starting salary from a friend, in a completely unrelated field in which he had no experience. He said he wasn't about to scale back his lifestyle and couldn't survive on a measly $60K per year.

    Long story short, he lost both houses, both cars and the wife. To hear him tell the bright side of the story, they won their strike against Eastern Airlines and put those cheap SOBs out of business.:rofl:
  17. IQof1


    Sep 4, 2009
    Unions, greedy? Outdated?

    Union bosses living luxurious lives with high salaries off the backs of workers?

    Democrats on the take from unions to pass/enact laws forcing people to join unions against their will?

    Unions using forced union dues to support political campaigns and causes against the desires of its members?

    No say it ain't so!
  18. bloodyspartan


    Jun 20, 2012
    The Doors are shut are they not , the Commies are in full control and this is just the Beginning.

    God forbid they take a paycut with 23% unemployment in the US.

    So what they take a pay cut down the Road when the Country recovers, the Union can demand a raise.
    They still had the right to strike.
    The Company not making money, now they are pawns in the Govt. Hands.

    Unions have outlived their usefulness except for Communism and they never got a Job for me.
    Helped me keep one or a pension.

    But they like many delegates probably collected 2 salaries and pensions.
    it is a red herring who owned what , did what said this or that.

    Men work or not. Taxes are paid or not and now the Pie shrinks , No one will wake up till the food and tv run out.

    Good Luck ,God Bless all., Time for another Glock 10mm
  19. When, then, in your opinion, is it okay for them to strike? What's the magic number?

    Executive Salary changes at Hostess, approved in July - about 4 months before they said the company was insolvent. Now, some of these execs - AFTER this news became public - agreed to reduce their salaries, but can anyone honestly say experienced corporate execs didn't know what was happening just a few months before the "cliff"?

    From another article:
    If those numbers are accurate, that's 20%+ reduction in salary over 5 years. You say that "they still had the right to strike", but then blame them for striking. When is it okay to exercise that right? When, as an employee, do you say "enough is enough"?
  20. What I see from the union sympathizers is JEALOUSY, plain and simple. They can't stand to see someone in the company making so much money while they make so little, and then cry to the union about "fairness".

    Hey union guys, improve your work skillsets and education. If you don't, don't cry about the mentality of the owners and stockholders "hogging" all the money. If you can't beat them, join them, it works in this particular paradigm.

    The companies do not owe anyone a "living wage", they are created to make money for the owners. If you don't like working for someone, don't, but don't insist they pay you what you're not entitled to or haven't worked for.

    I'm a seriously non union guy working in an "at will" status state. I can tell you, there is nothing more satisfying than watching a slacker get told to kick rocks and handed their last check and not having a union come in and demand they get their job back.

    I work hard for my company, have for the last 4 years I've been there, and now, I'm getting noticed more and more for what I do, how much money I save in man hours, equip. rentals, etc..

    My jobs get noticed and get us even more work because they are professionally done, well managed, with little to no interruption of service for our clients. I expect to be even more compensated over the pay of my peers simply because of what I do. That will never, ever happen in a union, I just wouldn't be motivated to do so if I knew there wouldn't be additional pay for my alacrity.

    And the beauty of this is, if at any time I feel that I'm not compensated well enough for the work I do, I'm free to move on to another company that will pay me what I think I'm worth, and what they feel is the best deal for them.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

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