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Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by cowboy1964, Jan 31, 2013.
Sooner or later EVERYONE gets screwed by obamacare.
It's so bad even obama and his family refuse to use it. Now what's that tell you?
Thanks a lot liberal union workers. You helped vote in the traitor. Now live with it.
I have to agree with one of the comments.
Obama will issue an EO to exempt them from the coverage and rising health costs.
I thought certain unions were already exempt?
Progressives and self serving thugs are always, always myopic. That's what instant gratification and selfishness (also known as socialism/communism) begets. Unless of course we underestimate the diabloic nature of the curruption that is so deep seated in this administration. Perhaps they knew this and are promised exemption from the law by EO . Ya think? All one needs to do is review the methods they employed (and the people that are in this admin) to gain, and retain, their postion of authority, and the latter becomes the only logical conclusion. Cloward & Pivens, Saul Alinski??
I was unaware of that. Still, color me shocked.
Not the ruling class who keep themselves out of it.
A lot of businesses are too. There is a long list. I thnik the exemptions run out after a certain period.
Here is the thing, there is nothing in the bill allowing exemptions. So unless they add that to it, and seeing as they are adding to it every.day.they might, they mean nothing.
Everything runs out with Obamacare !
Eventually you run out of other people's money.
Unions will be used, till they have no more value, to catapult these socialist into power.
Same way Obama uses everyone, then throws them under the bus.
Took millions from Libyan leader Quadafi, then killed him.
Took credit for Seal Team 6's killing Asama Bin Laden, then had them killed.
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Haha. Screw em.
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Weren't certain groups exempted from participation? I'm probably wrong.
IIRC, there was a time limit for the exemptions. I believe it didnt' go into effect until Obama was out of office..
I agree... but....
Somehow the unions will get help from Obama.
1. employees of local unions are not to be covered by Obamacare.
2. unions were exempt until the end of the term of existing union contracts re health insurance.
3. there is a strong push by unions to terminate the Cadillac tax provision of Obamacare that would affect unionists regardless of union health care contracts.
And, here is the big one that most union members will someday learn to their grief. Most of the multi-employer retirement or pension plans are underfunded. Think Teamsters, UAW, IBEW. Those funds must become better funded. There were two options on the table. Option 1 - raise union contributions because if the company paid, it would become less competitive in the market place. The other effects would be reduced unionization of existing and new industries. Option 2 - change federal law so that retiree benefits could be reduced. This would allow the unions to keep up their recruiting on new members at target companies. Option 2 was passed as a law. So, a lot of oldtimers are going to get a big FU along with pension checks in future years.
The Unions opposed it due to the "Cadillac Plan" tax, right up until they got their exemption, then they loved it.
You know what really sucks? The full weight of Zerocare has not even begun to be implemented yet. Does not really begin to take effect until after Zero is out of office. Should the Trumpinator become POTUS, one of his first acts is to "encourage" Ryan to get to his desk a bill suspending Zerocare, and have have a plan to blow up the roadblocks that prevent healthcare from crossing state lines making it portable. Competition can help reduce the cost of healthcare, it should never be free unless you absolutely can not buy it and prove that you can not pay for it.
edit: deciding you would rather not work vs a permanent disability, is not an option.
It was designed to be dumped on the next president.
Oh yeah. A simplistic solution to Obamacare, just like Obamacare was a simplistic solution to medical care.
Ok. so let's assume that "Obamacare" is stopped by Executive Order. Now there is no insurance - for anyone. In someone's imagination (who has never been in the insurance business) a magic wand is going to be found that instantly creates new insurance polices, has people medically underwritten, creates insurance reserves at insurance companies has contracts drafted between insurance companies and doctors and hospitals. You can't go back without taking years of work..
Of course Mr. Obama had the program not fully go into effect until after he leaves office. I would have done the same and so would you.
So let's review what the real effects are:
1. enough publicity was circulated so that any dummy (and most poor people are not dummies, just uninformed) would learn that he could have signed up for free medical programs before Obamacare.
2. some people that could afford some insurance, but not enough coverage, would have their shortfall in premiums paid by the government.
3, Interested parties who wanted certain policy benefits mandated in approved polices had them inserted.
4. no matter how administered, the drain on the treasury would be at least $50 billion a year. Instead of buying 20 B2 bombers for $40 billion, you simply redistributed wealth.