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U.S. Attorney's Office Rejects Family of Murdered BP Agent as Crime Victims

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by RussP, Aug 11, 2011.

  1. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia

    You must be ****ting me...

    The U.S. Attorney's argument is that the family was not "directly or proximately harmed" by the illegal purchase of the murder weapon. He says they do not meet the definition of "crime victim" in the Avila case. Burke claims the victim of the Avila's gun purchases, "is not any particular person, but society in general."

    Y'all gotta read the whole article...take your blood pressure meds first.

  2. BailRecoveryAgent

    BailRecoveryAgent Rude Member

    Aug 2, 2010
    Sooo, killing a border patrol agent with guns allowed to cross the border by the BATF and the government isn't enough of a crime for his family to be considered victims? A wife and children loosing their husband/father aren't "directly" harmed by his murder?:shocked::wow::steamed::steamed:

  3. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    So, US Attorney is denying 18USC concerning family members?
  4. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Yes, Crime Victim's Rights Act
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2011
  5. If this idiot is trying to sweep this incident under the rug to get people to forget about it, he's going about it the wrong way.
  6. SKSman57


    Nov 13, 2008
    Dennis Burke
    Born: Chicago, Illinois.
    Bachelors: Georgetown University.
    J.D.: University of Arizona.
    Former Senior Advisor to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
    Former Chief of Staff to Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano from 2003 to 2008.
    Former Senior Policy Analyst for the White House Domestic Policy Council during the Clinton Administration.
    Appointed U.S. Attorney by Barack Hussein Obama.
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2011
  7. I wish I could write that it surprises me . . .

    But it doesn't. Not with this administration.
  8. +1

    What the hell is this country coming to...
  9. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    This ******bag is going to get the snot kicked out of him in a House hearing. He has made his choice to be under the bus rather than on it.
  10. Am I correct in assuming that if the US attorney acknowledges the family's direct victim status, wouldn't he also be acknowledging that the US government is liable for the agent'sdeath? If so, that is shameful!
  11. HoldHard


    Nov 28, 2008
    Motor City 'burbs
    The cover-up for Fast & Furious knows no bounds....

    Last edited: Aug 12, 2011
  12. volsbear

    volsbear IWannaBeSedated Lifetime Member

    Nov 8, 2007
    What's shameful is that this stuff isn't making the mainstream television news.
  13. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Here is another story, this one from

    The story says neither of the weapons bought by Jaime Avila has been positively identified as the gun that killed Terry, but the firearms also have not been ruled out as murder weapons.

    Okay, they know the weapons used to kill Terry were purchased through the F&F program, right? They know where it was purchased and when, right? Why can't they identify the purchaser of the weapons?

    Maybe I'm just stupid, but come on, I ain't that stupid!
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2011
  14. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

    Apr 30, 2000
    Lexington, KY
    This decision is completely inconsistent with the way that I have seen the crime victim rule applied in child pornography cases. Parents write letters and are considered victims as well in those cases all the time.

    Here's a definition from the FBI's "Rights of Federal Crime Victims" page. The bolding is mine, in order to make it easy for everyone to see exactly how it should be applied in this case:

    Obviously, if Brian Terry had only been assaulted and not killed, he would have had the right to appear himself as the direct victim of the crime in question. Since he's deceased, that right falls to his estate. Should be simple.

    F'n lawyers, man. The first thing we should do is...
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2011
  15. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    Brian Terry was killed by a through-and-through GSW. There is no bullet to match to the guns recovered, and so they can't be positively ID'd. There were other weapons of the same type used by other bandits that were not recovered at or around the scene. One of those could have been used, even if it's not likely. We don't know the source or buyer of those guns at all, simply because we don't have them.

    IIRC, Avilla has been conclusively ID'd as the buyer of the recovered guns. No idea what channels they followed after they left his hands.
  16. dnuggett

    dnuggett PRO 2A

    Feb 28, 2005
    DFW TX
    Yet another disappointment in a long string of Holder and ATF f ups. Holder needs to be removed from office and brought up on charges and the ATF needs to be disbanded. That is the only acceptable resolution.
  17. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

    Jul 18, 2007
    Oh, the day is coming.............Justice, even for the Justice Dept!!!!! Ye shall reap what ye have sown.
  18. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Thanks, Sam...

    <------Not stupid, forgetful...:faint:
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2011
  19. razdog76

    razdog76 Heavy Mettle

    Sep 26, 2007
    The cover up has been code named, "2 Fast, 2 Furious."
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2011
  20. merlynusn


    Nov 16, 2007
    This is horrible. Why don't they just come out and scream from the rooftops "We are covering up our role in this as fast as possible." :steamed: