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Trayvon's Family Calls For Arrest Of Man: Vol II - Zimmerman Charged...

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by RussP, Apr 11, 2012.

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  1. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

    Jun 15, 2011

    It would look bad if he were caught lying about his broken nose. But we cannot assume without x-rays either way if it was broken or not.

    This case seems more of like a disparity of force issue. According to Zimmerman's story, he could not get away from Trayvon, and was in fear for his life. If this indeed is how the story went, he could have not even suffered a cut/bruise/broken nose, and still justifiably shot him due to such.

    It's sort of like when I asked Massad Ayoob in the gate about if a group is telling me they're going to do harm to me, yet have not yet, and I have no reasonable way to escape the situation, the shoot would be defensible. Even if that shot was taken before the "beatdown" even began.
  2. ModGlock17


    Dec 18, 2010
    True. And OJ got off !

    Miracle man, heh?

  3. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    Not how it works. Dismissal of charges on a motion isn't the same thing as adjudication (acquittal/conviction) on the charges at trial.
  4. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz says that he's read the affadavit and that it will result in an acquital, if it ever makes it to trial. "It’s irresponsible and unethical. . . . This affidavit doesn’t even make it to probable cause. Everything in this affidavit is consistent with a defense of self-defense. . . .A good judge will throw this out.

    Takes a 4 or 5 seconds for video to start, I do not watch this station and some might have already seen, just found it interesting.
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  5. Warp


    Jul 31, 2005
    Atlanta use a grand jury?

    As for the rest, I cannot deny that logic.
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  6. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

    Sep 24, 1999
    Hartford, Vermont
    The DA didn't want to be overruled by a Grand Jury, so she didn't call on them. :upeyes:
  7. JAFO1-12


    Mar 17, 2012
    South Everett, WA
    i really shouldnt even post this, since i find most of the politico-babble on GT to be borderline tinfoil hat stuff, but does it even matter to anyone that zimmerman stalked this kid, in a car, at night, some distance before getting out and attempting to engage (who knows what he was thinking, i would hope he meant to chat) this "person"? has anyone put themselves in that position? you are just walking near your house and someone is stalking you in a car? you have done nothing wrong and yet this person seems intent on engaging you? since most of us ARE CCW folks, is it possible to conceive of yourself in this situation and just not giving an EFF? seriously? you are all law abiding citizens and 2A advocates, at what point do you get pissed off by some fruitcake stalking you in a car in your own neighborhood? or better yet YOU engage HIM and say "can i help you sir? you seem lost!" which is probably what i would have done. then again, im a combat vet, and i really dont give a EFF...
    since i am sure i will get harangued, i am a conservaliberal. which means i believe in the freedom to enjoy strip clubs AND carry a weapon. not at the same time necessarily, but i firmly believe in the death penalty, the right to own weapons, and protecting the innocent and the infirm from abuse by zealots of EITHER the right or left.
  8. Toetag

    Toetag Wannabe

    Dec 18, 2011
    Heh....getting a "No Bill" would be bad for business.
  9. ZombieKing


    Feb 25, 2009
    You're mixing two things up.

    They are going to have a hearing where Zimmerman is going to claim that he is immune to prosecution because he is legally justified to use self defense in the incident. If the judge agrees with him and drops the charges then that's it the case is over.

    If the judge doesn't agree then Zimmerman goes to trial and he can be found not guilty or guilty. Either by a jury or if he declines a jury trial then by a judge.

    A judge is not going to be able to just decide the case and that he's guilty and then sentence him. He's going to have a trial first unless he can convince the judge he was legally justified in the force he used and is immune to prosecution.
  10. bear62


    Feb 5, 2005
    Rocky Mountains
    George needs to do an extreme makeover .......... and come out looking like Opie.
  11. ZombieKing


    Feb 25, 2009
    If I had a case and I needed someone to defend me and I could get Dershowitz I certainly would hire him.

    Wouldn't you?
  12. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001

    Dershowitz was an appellate attorney for OJ. He did not actively participate in the trial and was only there in the event of a conviction to prepare appeals and motions to overturn the conviction.

    Although I don't always agree w/ him, I have a lot of respect for Dershowitz. He's a brilliant attorney and his opinion on the Zimmerman affidavit is significant in my opinion.
  13. Dershowitz said if he had Roy Black our south florida world renowned attorney if it gets to jury they would be back in 1 hour with not guilty. I am pretty sure Dershowitz mainly deals with appellate law.

    Only in Zimmermans dreams

    Just watch the latest live local court coverage on the the potential replacement of judge due to conflict of interest. Judge Jessica Recksiedler husband works with the attorney Zimmerman wanted to represent him, attorney Mark Nejame, who refused him, Nejame was hired by CNN as their legal analyst.
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  14. South Fla

    South Fla ©South Fla 2015

    Oct 10, 2006

  15. I agree, I hate the SOB.
  16. Warp


    Jul 31, 2005

    I do not believe the word "stalked" applies.

    The single most universally agreed upon thing through all of this has been that Zimmerman should not have got out of the car.

    I have not seen any good evidence that Zimmerman was "intent on engaging" anybody.

    That is not truly Martin's own neighborhood. He did not live there, he was only there that day because he had been suspended from school. Yes, he had every right to be there, but it wasn't really "his own" neighborhood.

    If I was walking through a gated neighborhood at night/in the dark (where I did not live, at that), especially as a teenager, I would have a good idea why somebody was following me while on the phone. I would suspect that they suspected me of something and that I looked like I did not belong.

    If I was Zimmerman I like to think I would be smart enough to stay in the car, for so many reasons.

    If I was Martin, even as the 17 year old I was, I'm fairly certain there is no way that myself and Zimmerman would have ever been within arms reach of one another.
  17. kensteele


    Aug 3, 2003
    Leawood, KS
    I'm aware. My point was referencing how people felt.

    "If you're ok with...then you should be ok with [vice versa]." Should have known that sentiment would never fly.

    But I guess not. People simply are not ok with anything unless it benefits them. Just asking folks to think how they would feel if they were seeking justice and one person put an end to it (referring a judge accepting a motion that amounts to effectively trying the case IMO). If a judge drops this, a whole bunch of people are not going to be happy. But I'm not too familiar with this particular piece so I'll wait to see how it work.

    Still, I don't understand why so many people hate what makes this country so great (trial by a jury of your peers). I understand folks need to exercise whatever they can as allowed by the process and they want to win but to abhor a trial by jury....strange to me. I mean I have read everything (not always on GT) from Zman getting off on technicalities to dropping this due to outlandish media coverage to filling lawsuits for false arrests. to be fair I've already read some crazy things on the other side, too. At this point, I would think if you know you are right, you should want this to go to trial and have your day in court and clear your good name and put this to bed.
  18. Warp


    Jul 31, 2005

    But a LOT of those people who won't be happy aren't looking for justice
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  19. kensteele


    Aug 3, 2003
    Leawood, KS
    Understood, see my previous post. :)

    In this particular case, in real life, if the judge grants such a motion, a billion people will believe the judge tried the case and found Zman not guilty and let him go in lieu of a fair jury of his peers. Don't believe me?
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