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tnoutdoors9 .40S&W 165 Federal HST P40HST3

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by JW1178, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. JW1178


    Jul 17, 2009
    Oh yes!!! Thanks Tnoutdoors9 for yet another great test. :wavey:


    Cliffs notes: 1113 FPS five shot average, penetrated 16.5", expansion of .633 max and .628 average. Recoil about the same as the 180gr.
  2. Ranger45


    Jan 17, 2010
    North Carolina
    Thanks for posting this JW. I was just surfing TN's channel this past weekend thinking, "Man...I wish he had a test for the 165gr HSTs!"

  3. JW1178


    Jul 17, 2009
    Welcome, glad to post it. I was also doing the same today and way happy to see it.

    Sowhaddyathink? I watched it and his 180gr HST test and think the 180 did better. Here is the 180 HST test:


    I like the 180 better. Although the 165 had 110fps average gain in velocity, the cavity left by the 180 I think was equal if not more impressive, and expanded better and expanded just as early. The 165 had almost 3 extra inches in penetration but seems to have yawed sideways which helped it penetrate deeper. Noticing the serrations on the 180 are deeper which I think made it expand better.

    Either bullet did really great.
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2012
  4. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    Best ammo testing on YouTube.

    HST is a great bullet, in all calibers and weights. I like the 180gr in particular though. I bought 500 rounds of that white box stuff and wish I had bought more.
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2012
  5. ABNAK


    Apr 22, 2005
    While perceived recoil is a very subjective thing, if the 165gr is about the same as the 180gr why not stick to the heavier one? Expansion on the 180gr is better and penetration is quite sufficient.

    My nod goes to the 180gr.
  6. Ranger45


    Jan 17, 2010
    North Carolina
    I had planned to order some 165gr HSTs but ended up ordering the 180gr instead...largely because of these tests, but also because the 180s seem to group better out of my USPc.
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2012
  7. unit1069


    Oct 10, 2007
    So. Central US
    I agree. I've never seen a bad test outcome with the HST.
  8. avenues165


    Jun 15, 2012
    SLC, Utah
    I have used Federal HST 165gr as my SD load for a while, cheaper than others and readily available to me at my LGS. But, I have finally decided that with the HST bullet, heavier seems to be better. I think I will be moving my SD load in .40 s&w to either 165gr GD or 155gr GD

    Maybe I'll stick the 165gr HST in my G24. I wonder how fast they'll go. I haven't seen any blown apart when shooting them in the 6" barrel of the G24. It might be a cool load at ~1,200fps.

    One thing about TNOutdoors9's tests, they are very consistent. He calibrates the gel for each test, so comparisons can be made between loads. I can only test with water jugs filled with wet newspaper, so it can't be calibrated. The sim-test stuff is so cool.
  9. LawScholar


    Aug 23, 2011
    I constantly oscillate between HST and Gold Dot. They're both boringly consistent, delivering Protocol-meeting penetration and solid expansion every time. I trust either and generally buy what's cheaper at the time. Right now it's the 180-grain Gold Dot. Maybe next time it'll be the 165-grain HST.
  10. BBMW


    Dec 3, 2005
    For LEOs I think the GD has some advantages over the HST. Since it's bonded, it will deal with barriers better. However the HST expands better. Since civilians are less likely to have to deal with barriers, the HST is probably a better round for them.

    The flip side is that it's easier for civilians to get GDs than HSTs.