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Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by GlockFanWA, Mar 4, 2014.
They call that.obsessive compulsive disorder
I enjoy shooting my 1911's quite a bit. If I had to rely on one I wouldn't feel handicapped. It just wouldn't be my first choice for going off to battle.
Yea, two World Wars, Korea and VietNam proved the 1911 was not a battle gun.
Don't know if there are MORE but there have been SOME already...maybe some pics on his site...little ritzy for my M&P budget, but people did buy them.
Fixed it for ya,.........
I didn't say the 1911 hasn't proven itself in battle. I also didn't say it's not a great handgun. I just said it wouldn't be my first choice.
Well said. I agree.
I read your replies, ya'll didn't see I was just poking fun at you, nothing serious.
The first few times I shot a 1911 I hated it. I had only owned revolvers. Then I lived where there was a range with all sorts of rentals. I eventually got a 1911 as my first auto loader.
The pistol was designed to do what it does. To me that is CQB. On top of that it is always fun to pick and blast away at targets with. When the 1911 speaks people listen!
Sadly my Thompson Auto Ordnance was stolen a few years ago and I never replaced it.
I never was a soldier or LEO or anybody who had to wear one ever day. I think the reassuring weight it has on the one hand would become a pain on the working hip. I still want to get another one. But if I could only have one piece it would be a Glock 20.
Well, I was shooting IPSC back in the early '80s too. I still like the 1911. The part I'm not so happy about is 'cocked and locked'. I just don't like having a cocked and locked 1911 laying on the nightstand.
I have a couple of Glocks (G36 and G21SF) and the G36 is on my nightstand. There's no good reason for this because it doesn't even have night sights (yet). It's just laying there...
So, since I don't really like plastic guns, I am slowly transitioning to Sigs. I'm getting to where I can shoot the P220 and P229 pretty well. The first DA shot doesn't bother me and the SA trigger is pretty nice. All of the Sigs have decent night sights and I don't have any problem with one laying around, decocked.
I will always have a few 1911s. When I really want to have fun shooting, I pick up a 1911.
I'm curious but consider how little cops shoot, how many M1911 parts would have to be "serviced/repaired/replaced"?
And let's say that you're an armorer for some sort of high speed low drag operators outfit that shoot thousands of rounds per week, which parts on the M1911 would break or wear out when compared to; say, a Glock?
Interesting response, Cluster. Can you elaborate on that a bit?
Huge difference between an armorer, which is all a Glock requires, and a custom gunsmith such as Yam. He's made his living on the 1911 and is well known in the business.
He is already getting into customized polymer that is supposedly good to go out of the box. He is also getting into selling some parts for polymer that are of dubious value.
Yes, on the whole a 1911 makes a poor choice for department wide or unit wide issue if there is no commitment to keep them running.
The same goes for polymer, just the threshold is lower for them. Our high round count G22s have had issues. To the point I consider them to be disposable.
He's not the only one who is well known in the M1911 biz.
Before him there were Clark, King, Swenson, Shockley, ad infinitum. These people knew as much about M1911 as anyone. I mean, it's not like the design hadn't been around since...1911.
the myth of the cops don't ever shoot, cops are like any other gun owners, some practice as often as possible and some only show up to department mandated requals, so there are certainly cops that put relatively high numbers of rounds through their guns. In addition to the shooting maintance issues for a cop's weapon can also come from the physical beating a gun will take strapped to the hip of someone in a physical fight on the ground the exposure to the weather and numerous other issues that come with wearing a gun exposed for hours at a time
I am a cop and I fire my duty handgun as often as I can, though not near as often as I would like (does anyone here get to do that, if so could you fund my ammo, lol) and my duty gun is a glock, I think the 1911 is a better platform for me, but the department probably correctly figured between the cost issue (remember a good 1911 is more expensive than a glock) and ease of maintanence that a glock (though M&P's ect. would also have been fine) was a better choice
You may shoot a lot but how many of you are there among the boys in blue?
Also what exactly on a 1911 would break due to daily wear? These guns were made to be dragged from one corner of the earth to another.
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I'm not saying that everyone practices constantly, but I think you would be surprised by how many cops are "gun guys" and even that several that aren't recognize it as a potentially (though hopefully never needed) important skill to have on the job.
And to answer your second point, Murphy's Law exists, and not all cops are mechanically inclined just like not all people are, things happen, and anything mechanical can and will break, I'm not an armorer for my department, but they have some crazy stories. It really is much easier to look at it from the perspective of an individual and say well mine never broke than it is when you scale that up.
And trust me, I would much rather carry a 1911 than a glock personally, it just fits my hands better, I love the history of it, I prefer the trigger pull on it, I just understand why a larger organization would go with the simplest possible option. Plus the cost savings are probably substantial