Thoughts on 10mm for sd/hd

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by vandros, Jan 11, 2013.


  1. It's a handgun, not a death ray, and there's no law against carrying a 10mm handgun.

    If you're going to give advice don't spread misinformation. Carrying a smaller caliber doesn't make you a safe person. Quit spreading fear and misinformation.
     

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    #21 digilo, Jan 12, 2013
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  2. Digilo, in Texas if you use your carry gun, you have just committed murder or at least attempted murder. You will have to defend yourself to the legal system.

    So many people just think of one side of this issue. I can tell you from personal experience, you should give both sides of carry some thought. When you pull the trigger you are in trouble.

    If you think I am tring to scare someone, you are wrong. I am tring to make them think. I have been there and I can tell you it is scary.

    Rusty
     

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  3. uz2bUSMC

    uz2bUSMC 10mm defender

    I've thought about both sides of the story, 10mm is my choice. Compromising myself for fear of litigation is not something I am willing to do. When people think of both sides they often fast forward to the after where they might be in trouble. You have to survive your encounter before you can worry about being in trouble. There is nothing wrong with a 10mm with standard capacity magazines. Do everything right when you carry, use your tool for defense when deadly force is appropriate and lesser means have failed or can not reasonably be employed. A good shoot is a good shoot regardless of your weapon...same goes for a bad shoot.
     
  4. vandros

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    I think this makes perfect sense to keep these issues in mind, especially in our imperfect legal system.

    My primary reason for owning my glock29 is protection against large animals when I'm hiking in black bear/mountain lion country. But, I intend to keep using the same weapon for sd/hd because I can't afford another weapon, and, more importantly, I want to get used to and be proficient with one gun. The logic behind this I think is clear (to me, as well as many other responsible gun owners here). Not sure if the logic would be as clear to 12 jurors, attorney for the victim, and prosecutor - if it ever comes to that.
     
  5. Murder: The unlawful killing of human being by another person with hostile intent. Notice the word "unlawful". Protecting yourself or your family is not unlawful. Admittedly there will probably be some shyster lawyer trying to make a name for himself.
     
  6. I do understand. I am not tring to change anyone's choice. After personally going thru the process I can say that giving some thought to what happens after the shot is very good advice.
     
  7. In my opinion the 10MM makes an awesome concealed carry/ outdoor protection cartridge. I mostly carry Winchester Silvertips . I have carried Hornady 200 grain JHP as loaded by Double Tap when I feel the need for more penetration.
     
  8. SCmasterblaster

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    The 10mm rules!!!!!
     
  9. Wolf Spyder

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    Vandros,

    I have carried the 10mm Glock 20 (almost everyday) for many, many years.

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    Over Penetration with quality JHP's is a Myth !!

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    I carry either 175 gr. Winchester Silvertips or my own 165 gr. Gold Dots loaded with 10.2 gr. of IMR 800-X.




    Oh, ya, I am still waiting for Colt to start selling these Delta Elite Rail Guns...

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  10. Wolf Spyder

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    Your an Idiot. Oh, sorry, I forgot to add... In my opinion, your an idiot.

    Look, I understand that you think you are trying to help, but frankly you are an example of what is wrong with gun owners today. Stand up for yourself. Your Glock 20 was designed with a Standard Capacity magazine that holds 15 rounds of 10mm ammunition. Why are you using a Reduced Capacity magazine?

    "If 10+1 rounds won't do it, then 16+1 won't help...."

    Are you a moron? Can you think for yourself? Maybe you are a Liberal Anti-gun TROLL ? No? Ok, then, quit regurgitating liberal talking points.

    Saying that, is like some one saying; "My revolver holds six rounds, but I only load two, because if I can't get it done in two rounds then loading all six rounds isn't going to help. Besides it looks more humane to the liberal socialists who are trying to disarm America".


    In a gun fight, more bullets (in your gun) is a good thing.

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  11. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic

    Way to resurrect an older thread just to call someone and idiot and moron :upeyes:
     
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  12. Wolf Spyder

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    Maybe so, but some things just have to be said. To be honest I didn't even notice the age of the last post.



     
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  14. 200 grain hard cast for street and woods. not much difference between a 150 lbs. whitetail and 200+lbs. perp. always watch your back stop.
     
  15. When I asked Mas Ayood about my concerns of over penetration of Underwood ammo, he suggested that IF I WAS CONCERNED about it their 135gr Gold Dots would serve very well.
     
  16. Wolf Spyder

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    I would disagree. Check out "TN Outdoors 9" on YouTube. He has done a great job of testing a wide variety of cartridges over a broad spectrum of calibers.

    His testing has shown that in some cases by increasing velocity it actually decreases penetration...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUAmIgR918"]AMMO TEST: 10mm Underwood 200 gr Hornady XTP JHP - YouTube[/ame]

    His testing showed only 16 inches of penetration with Underwood's 200 gr. XTP JHP @ 1260 FPS / 705 Ft Lbs of Energy. This is ideal for self defense against 200+ Lbs bad guys.

    I would also like to point out that the Speer .40 S&W 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at 1000 FPS / 400 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 13 inches, while the Underwood 10mm 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at just over 1330 FPS / 706 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 17 inches. That is not over penetration in anybody's book, not to mention almost doubling the energy with only slightly more penetration.

     
  17. I elected to go with Underwood 165grn Gold Dots and am happy with accuracy, recoil and function.
     
  18. Wolf Spyder

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    I like the 165 gr. Gold Dots.


     
  19. SCmasterblaster

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    I'd feel confident with just about any 10mm loading.
     

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