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This Just In: Christians are NOT the enemy

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by JMag, Dec 3, 2012.


  1. scccdoc

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    Have any documentation on "less likely"? Even though your inference was that Christians "in general" were dysfunctional. Am I wrong? Are we?




    Have you not known any atheists who did not take responsibility? Not one? Again, your inference is that only Christians (or the majority) do not take responsibility. I'm a Christian, do you think I'm irresponsible or lack responsibility?


    I think the previous statements by you are generalizations based on biased opinion, that is not logical, it is guessing.





    "Sorry", yet still demeaning. Your opinion is simply an opinion. You cannot prove there is no God.



    Sooooooooooooooo.......... you believe we have discovered everything there is to discover in this area? Do you often limit possibilities to what is known? BTW, the earth is not flat.............get my drift?
     

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    So what? How is that relevant to anything? You can't prove I'm not God. does that mean I am?
     

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    You need to go back to what Ephesians said. Reject the "principalities" and evil ways of those who follow the world and you are given eternal hope. I hope you will encounter someone who can explain it better than me so that you will be ready. This is what the Bible says.
     
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    That's the point, neither can prove, therefore his opinion is no more valid than mine.So why be offensive about it?
     
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    So dude, once again, how am I your enemy? I'm commanded to love you as I love myself. I'm not the judge................
     
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    You keep twisting my qualified statements into absolutes so you can tear down the strawman easier. Only theists deal in absolutes.

    As for proof that there is no god, we've been over this before. The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary (in this case supernatural) claim. I don't have to support the statement that there is no Santa Clause with proof in order for it to be valid and I don't have to support the statement there is no god for the same reason (even though I have here multiple times). The existence of supernatural deities runs contrary to everything that has ever been observed in this universe. The inductive case against god is overwhelming. I don't have to treat an infinitesimally small chance as a real and viable possibility.
     
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    You miss the point. That which cannot be proven false is not necessarily true. Am I God simply because you cannot prove I'm not? Is there life on Mars because I can't prove there isn't? Was God an ancient alien from outer space because no one can prove he wasn't? This type of argument is illogical.

    Until I can prove my point, my point is as false as yours, not as true. Neither point is true until one of us can show a probability that it is more likely to be true than false. Until such time, both points are equally false.

    I'm not being offensive. We've been over this in this forum more times than I can remember. I'm just tired of seeing the same logically flawed argument ad infinitum as though it has some merit.
     
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    I don't believe the Christian is the enemy any more then I believe the Muslim is the enemy.

    The enemy is doctrine that causes harm. There is doctrine in Christainity that is harmful to the psyche of the believer.
     
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    Jeez, why so hostile?

    Can't say that I've ever seen a self-identified atheist asking for prayers.

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    Could be that those are common exclamations of various emotions in our culture. But don't let me get in the way of a good delusion.
     
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    Personally, I've not prayed once since I let go of my faith. Not for me, not for someone I love, not when I felt scared, sad or alone. Not even when I really wanted to. I'm not a hypocrite.

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    There are theists that do not believe there are any atheists. An atheist asking for prayer makes exactly as much sense as asking for Santa Claus to preform some miracle for you. Like when a theist says that atheists are just angry with their chosen god, it's irritating. No, you don't effing understand what the word atheist means if you think that statement makes any sense at all. But maybe the whole reason they do it is because it is irritating.
     
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    Why would you feel compelled to pray? Maybe, the same reason as I................
     
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    Because 38 years of religious conditioning takes effort to overcome.
     
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    This was the hardest part of the brainwashing for me to overcome. When you pray you reaffirm that you believe. When you've been taught from birth to pray insistently, it's very difficult to stop. A recovering alcoholic can avoid places and friends that might trigger him to start drinking again. The recovering Christian can't avoid the voice in his head.
     
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    Well, by your admission, " Only theists deal in absolutes.." is not true . If you are wrong about that, you could be wrong about other things!


    As for proof that there is no god, we've been over this before. The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary (in this case supernatural) claim. I don't have to support the statement that there is no Santa Clause with proof in order for it to be valid and I don't have to support the statement there is no god for the same reason (even though I have here multiple times).
    "I'm glad Einstein didn't "limit" himself to what is known", or George Washington Carver, or Bill Gates..........................
    No you don't, I'm glad others do...............like organ transplants, stem cell research, etc
     
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    You pray because you can't stop praying they same way an alcoholic can't stop drinking. I had to hit rock bottom before I could stop. See if you can stop praying for a week. If you can't, recite the words to Yankee Doodle when you feel compelled to pray. See if anything changes other than withdrawals from resisting the brainwashing. Resisting gets easier with time, but like the alcoholic, stress will coerce you to go back to you addiction.

    Of course, your religion tells you not to do that. You can't put the Lord, YOUR God, to the test. That's part of the brainwashing.
     
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    And that is?
     
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    You're not to good at picking up on sarcasm are you?

    No, you don't get to put your book of myths on the same shelf as scientific research and engineering. Your book goes over there with Torah, Koran, Greek/Roman and Norse mythology.

    Again, you don't get to place superstition on the same level as medical science. My nephew was killed last year in a car accident. His organs saved eight different people. That was made possible through science, not religion. Most theists originally opposed organ transplants as supposedly going against god's will. Religion is a net drag on science. Religion is the main factor holding back stem cell research right now.
     
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    When I first started out on this new course, I had to vocalize out loud with a "stop" or "no" to prevent myself from automatically praying. I had to literally remind myself that no one was listening.
     
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