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Discussion in 'Ohio Glockers' started by ColGlock, Mar 15, 2007.

  1. ColGlock

    ColGlock

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    A little Background, A few years back the leader of a certain Ohio based ccw group, wanted to obtain the List of FL CCW permit holders with the intention of soliciting them for donations. this person was over ruled at the time based on the feeling that this would be seen as sleazy and an abuse of the system...

    http://www.cleveland.com/concealed/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/117394911998201.xml&coll=2



    gee...

     
  2. pjb829

    pjb829 Go Bengals!

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    I'm not sure what excuse was given to the Sheriff's, but I would bet a serious amount of money one of the non-spoken goals of OFCC was to solicit Ohio license holders for memberships and donations. In fact, I would bet that soliciting Ohioans for money was the primary goal, and the claim of compiling a statistical analysis was just the excuse to try to get the Sheriff's to comply.

    I'll flat out admit that I have a jaded opinion of OFCC leadership, but to stoop to this level not only surprises me, it is exceptionally disappointing. The anti-gun crowd has to be jumping for joy and will use this demonstration of double-standards to undermine the pro-gun credibility with the legislators.


    Pete.
     


  3. Collin

    Collin Avatar of Evil

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  4. ohioselfdefense

    ohioselfdefense

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  5. PennaOhio

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    Before you all get your panties in a bunch read their website. I post there as 'McM' and I didn't like it one bit.

    What they were trying to do was to show the exploit of the journalist loophole which doesn't close until the end of the month. Here's a thread..

    http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=9301

    I disagree with the method, but the result was an Ohio sheriff filing a lawsuit about the law being too vague.

    The ends don't justify the justify the means, but I think it'll workout this time... I still don't like it though.
     
  6. Cruiseron

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  7. Ninj500

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    Columbus, OH
    Personally?

    Well, I organized all three open carry defense walks in the Columbus area, had over 30 pro gun articles published in places like CNSNews.com, Nranews.com, Nra.org, zogby.com, Columbusdispatch.com, Frontpagemag.com, organized the first two years of the Party in the Park, organized the anti-Taft pro-ccw protest when Bush came to Ohio during the 2004 campaign, appeared on Capital Square three different times debating the gun issue, appeared on all three Columbus networks numerous times supporting gun laws, also appeared on the news in other cities, been quoted more times than I can count in the Ohio and national media, attended more meetings with legislators than I can count to as an advocate for CHL and pro-gun laws, was the 2nd Amendment coordinator for Blackwells campaign, worked on the pro HB347 press release for Strickland's campaign, worked as OFCC central Ohio coordinator and then Buckeye Firearms Association Central Ohio coordinator, got Chuck Taylor to write an article for the OFCC newsletter, worked both the Buckeye Firearms Association fund raisers at TDI, helped organize several central Ohio meet and greets attended by countless politicians, helped organize a pro-gun candidate forum at Blackwing shooting center, attended nearly every hearing on HB347, and that's about all I can remember.....

    Would that qualify me to pass judgment on what OFCC did?
    Funny thing is I don't have an opinion because I don't know all the facts. I do know questioning someone's ability to judge what a pro-gun group did has nothing to do with whether they've lifted a finger to work for gun rights.

    If you want to believe what OFCC is saying it is your right to do so. Again, I don't have an opinion. But, just as you have the right to your opinion others have the right to theirs.
     
  8. ColGlock

    ColGlock

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    umm... A heck of alot more than you have.
     
  9. Cruiseron

    Cruiseron

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    Excuse me! Have we met? I personally have no reason to write a resume of what I do for CCW in Ohio.
     
  10. Ninj500

    Ninj500

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    Not from me, I don't have a problem with OFCC and left the group on good terms. Instead, the guy that commented, " have you lifted a finger for gun-rights lately" upset me.

    OFCC knows why it did what it did. I have to trust there was a sound basis for their decision.

    However, we all help in our own way and some can't afford the time to help fight for gun-rights and voting is all they can do to help. Because of their possible physical, emotional or financial limitations they shouldn't have their dedication attacked.

    Everyone can make their own opinion about OFCC, that's not my business.
     
  11. ColGlock

    ColGlock

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    Hmm...
    B.S.

    Number one they have no Stats people in ofcc.

    Number two, OFCC has been trying to get that list since 4/21/2004

    Number Three, Now The Plain Dealer is using this as "proof" that the list should be made public.
     
  12. ColGlock

    ColGlock

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    Probably not that is why I am safe in assuming that I have done more than you have...

    of course, How many Presidents have you met in person? How many Secretary of State's have you shot with, Attorney Generals, etc.?
     
  13. jabeatty

    jabeatty

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    Be sure to format your resume properly:

    "Secretaries of State"

    and

    "Attorneys General"
     
  14. XDSpring

    XDSpring

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    The only problem I see from an outsider stanpoint is the public perception. Even if OFCC did it to force the lawsuit that isn't how it's playing in the media. WHen the Cleveland Plain Dealer uses the actions of a pro-gun group as a great example of why the license holder information should be public it makes it much harder to close the loophole. Pro-gun people have to remember that the average person only reads the newspaper, not OFCC's website. So they only read what the jackass publisher of the Plain Dealer writes.

    That means even with the best intentions it might look wrong to the general public. And it's the general public that can make or break a gun law/ccw reform.
     
  15. ohioselfdefense

    ohioselfdefense

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    Cheers & Jeers
    Friday, March 16, 2007

    CHEERS . . .

    to Jeff Garvas, head of Ohioans For Concealed Carry Inc., for going after Ohio's silly law that keeps information on concealed weapons permit holders off limits to all but journalists. Garvas' group puts out a newsletter and has a Web site, so, he figures, he can classify himself as a journalist. The more, the merrier. The information should be available to all Ohioans.

    http://www.cleveland.com/politics/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1174034438292580.xml&coll=2
     
  16. northcoast

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    Something about them requesting the list rubbed me the wrong way too.

    I read the OFCC forums, but I'm not a member for two reasons. Sometimes I think their website is a bit sensationalistic -- that it goes down to the level of anti-ccw side. There was one article a while ago with the title something like "Columbus bans guns!" when really it was about guns in parks. I know they can write whatever they want, however they want, but in my opinion they could be more balanced (even when, and especially when, the other side isn't).

    Second, when you sign up for the forums you choose whether or not you would like to receive email from OFCC. I chose "no". Well I still get email from them when they think it is something "really important". To me, no means no.

    Maybe petty, but they get to two larger issues for me - debate the issues fairly, and respect people's privacy.

    They do think they do a lot of good, though.

    Northcoast.
     
  17. jabeatty

    jabeatty

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    SW Ohio
    You should be able to go HERE to unsubscribe from the Alerts list.
     
  18. northcoast

    northcoast

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    Thanks...but I'm not subscribed to the alert. My (admitedly whining) complaint was that on a few occasions I received messages even though I'm not subscribed to the alert listserv.

    Northcoast.
     
  19. northcoast

    northcoast

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    Just to be clear, given the choice I'll GLADLY take CCW and an unsolicited email or two as opposed to no CCW, which is where I bet Ohio would be without OFCC.

    Northcoast