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theorize why bobby flay can't win a showdown

Discussion in 'Food Forum' started by 97guns, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. 97guns

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    im pretty much a couch patatoe on the weekends and i think i have seen almost every episode of throwdown. ive seen pizza, BBQ pork, cheese steak, fish & chips, meatloaf, breakfast, cheescake, cocktails and just now fried chicken - probably a few more, im pretty sure he is a big O for. he always goes up against a chef that cooks the throwdown item in the classical style and he always has to throw in some ancho chili powder or some other spice to set his apart. i really think its hurting him in the long run, he should just stick to the classic style for the given showdown and he may be able to pull one off or is it that he is just going up against the best of the best for that given dish? i really can't put a finger on it. it sucks being a bobby flay fan, go SHARKS...
     
  2. The Pontificator

    The Pontificator Angry Samoan

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    The biggest reason he loses is because the competition always has the home court advantage.
     

  3. Rob96

    Rob96 Millennium Member

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    Exactly! Plust the fact that some of the foods you just can't put a gourmet spin on.
     
  4. SAW45

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    Nah!!! You guys have it all wrong. :) Flay loses because he isn't interested in winning, although I have seen him win. What he DOES want is an interesting show that people want to watch and to participate in. People love watching him prepare different types of food such as gumbo, ice cream or maybe chowder. They also love rooting for the underdog. Flay wants to present these other chefs in a good light. He wants to show the audience some food they can imagine about and maybe even go taste one day. He wants to have a good time doing it and the chefs to also have a good time, and it shows on the show. If Flay won all these competitions, what chef would want to go up against him and lose in front of friends an customers? :)
     
  5. Mild Bill

    Mild Bill Millennium Member

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    Perfection!

    A minute ago these points were popping in to my head, and I scroll down and there it is!

    I would also add that he knows a lot of people think he's cocky, and might tune in to see him get smacked a little
    in this fun setting, along with all the other elements you mentioned...

    :beer:
     
  6. Singlemalt

    Singlemalt In the rough

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    You have a good point, I have always considered him a little cocky myself.
     
  7. rhikdavis

    rhikdavis U.S. Veteran

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    Hah, me too. There was one show where some of his buddies were coming over to play cards and he was grilling out....I guess one guy was a mixed drink specialist, and Flay told him to just make the drinks however.....the guy replied: "Thank you, I will."

    Spanked.
     
  8. Glockerel

    Glockerel Got Mojo?

    I was part of an International Cooking Competition In Reykjavik a little while ago and some of us chefs were talking about the phenomenon this is the Food Channel. I had mentioned I thought Bobby Flay was an asshat and deserved to get smacked down when trying to show up chefs doing their signature items. A distributor I had gotten to know on that trip knows Bobby Flay very well. He said that Bobby is not an asshat at all, and actually a very nice fellow. He also said that Food Network has chosen him to be their "villian" if you will, in order to increase ratings: we all love to watch those we hate fail. Changed my whole opinion on Bobby. Now when I watch him, I can appreciate his skill level and have a bit of insight as to why things are put together and edited the way they are.
     
  9. 97guns

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    well i finally saw bobby flay win a showdown - the cupcake one
     
  10. I've always had mixed emotions about Bobby but over all, even though I don't like him I do... If that makes sense...:upeyes:

    As far as his winning and loosing. How would it look if a person of his stature smoked these backyard cooks...? He's got to throw a few once in a while for the ratings.

    On top of that he's going up against some backyard cooks that speciallize in a limited menu and they are really good at what they do...
     
  11. everybody has a "special" dish and bobby is cocky but who isnt a little cocky that is good at anything? i like to cook and consider myself "pretty good" but you cant be good at everything, thats why there are lots of cooks and lots of dishes/styles to experiment with. i brought wild turkey and wild duck to a buddys grill today and he overcooked both after me repeatedly saying "dont over do it". whats one to do? hes pretty good at crawfish etoufee but not so good at grilling. anybody that both likes to eat and cook will recognize a "better" dish and wiil inquire as to how to repeat it.
     
  12. Local pride, Good PR, etc....
     
  13. vi9er

    vi9er how now mad cow

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    I never really cared for the premise of the show. It bothered me that the two i saw(maybe all of them) he shows up when John Doe is having their huge moment, and seems to steal some of their thunder.
     
  14. jason10mm

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    I've only seen a few but it seems to me that he is basically learning a new cooking style (to him) and then goes up against a guy who SPECIALIZES in that style. I like Flay but come on, he can't be a master at everything, especially since he competes with folks who obviously prefer the other guys version of the food. I bet if he did a cajun cook-off in New York he could tailor the recipie to appeal more to New Yorkers while the southern boy might be at a disadvantage. Besides, the show is entertainment.

    Now a bikini cook-off with some of their other hosts, that might be a real fight :p
     
  15. 97guns

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    i actually saw him win a second showdown, the hot dog one against the poeple from pinks hot dogs of los angeles. they had some kind of chili dog with bacon and he did a nacho dog with jalepenos and tortilla chips.
     
  16. nehpets99

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    +1!!!!! [​IMG]

    Yup, I was "that guy".

    On topic, when Flay wins it's because of his combination of flavors that mesh well with one's palette. Nothing overpowers the other, textures and flavors contrast well, etc. The people he challenges oftentimes just make something that tastes amazing and may not necessarily give further thought to adding a little acidity to counter some other flavor. At least, that's my two cents.

    Personally, I know that Flay specializes in southwestern/tex-mex/etc., but I'm so tired of seeing him put roasted poblanos/anchos/green and red sauces/etc. on/in EVERYTHING.
     
  17. RetDet

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    Flay loses a lot because he isn't really that good and his restaurants, at least here in Vegas, out-suck any collection of vacuum cleaners you can gather together. He's a source of embarrassment.
     
  18. Cuz he's got man-boobs. :rofl:
     
  19. VictorLouis

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    I happened to catch an episode last night. He won in a throw-down against the 'best in the country', per Oprah Winfrey. :upeyes:

    A southern lady in Philly, Delilah's. Bystanders even seemed to give Flay's the nod, and they love her grub.