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The two 357Sig Gold Dots: which is which?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ABNAK, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. ABNAK

    ABNAK

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    The 54234 load is rated at 1375fps, right? Is it the one that expands more? Or is it the XXX18 load?

    Which one has 6 petals?
     
  2. dkf

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    The 54234 has the 6 petal GD and rated at 1375fps. That is the load I carry in one of my guns right now.(5 petal opens up quicker)

    Speer uses a 2 for the first number to designate 20rd boxes and a 5 to designate 50 round boxes.

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  3. Bigpoppie50

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    I have a few of the the 50rd boxes of (53918lp) lp=limited penetration and also 54234. I don't have a problem with either load but in a heavy populated environment probably the better choice would be 53918lp since it would be a slightly better chance of not overly penetrating but it is only about 20fps slower which is not much.
     
  4. PghJim

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    I think it was the 23981 that tnoutdoors9 tested and I wish he would test the 54234 to compare. You can see the 23981 test on YouTube.
     
  5. ABNAK

    ABNAK

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    Wonder why they push the deeper penetrating one faster (albeit by 25fps)? Conventional wisdom says that faster usually means more rapid/pronounced expansion.
     
  6. its the bullet design that reduces expansion of the faster bullet.
     
  7. avenues165

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    My primary HD pistol is a G24, so I chose the 53918, since I don't need any additional velocity. However, it may be that I should instead choose the deeper penetration bullet, while a little faster it should penetrate deeper at the higher velocity the 6" barrel give me.

    I probably should test both loads in the G24 to see if I am exceeding the velocity ceiling for the bullet. My gut tells me I should be fine, but I really don't know how much additional velocity I am getting and whether the bullet/s can handle it.
     
  8. Bigpoppie50

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    I would chose 53918 also if I were using a 6 inch barrel in 357sig. Youtube has some videos of some 357sig ammo tests and in one of the tests if I am not mistaken the person was using a 5 and a half or 6 inch barrel and it boosted the velocity of the 357sig to the point even the bonded Gold Dot bullet came apart. You can type in on Youtube page "357Sig Fail" and it should take you right to it.
     
  9. G21MAN

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    Which round has been used the most by LE? Which load has the most street shootings? Best street record? Which was the original design....5 or6 petal? The oldest load will most likely be the one with the best record on the street.:faint:
     
  10. avenues165

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    I'll check it out. What a bummer, I figured if someone got ~1,350fps from a 4" barrel I would get ~1,450 to ~1,500fps. Thought the GD would handle it.

    I need to get my 357 sig barrel for my G23, then I can switch out the G24 for the G23 for HD duty.

    Too bad, I shoot my G24 so well (for me), but I am catching up with the G23.

    Edit - Watched five tests in 357 sig from that poster. All tests resulted in bullets with fragmentation and/or core/jacket separation with a ported barrel that appeared to be ~5.5". The tester shoots down from a ladder into a 55 gallon drum filled with water. Even the Hornady XTP showed fragmentation.

    I guess using a barrel of 5.5" or longer for 357 sig for SD/HD is a bad idea.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2012
  11. PghJim

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    The 6 petal 54234 has the most use in LE, but I am not saying that some agencies do not use the 5 petal. The 5 petal round is relatively new.
     
  12. PghJim

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    The failure was do to an over pressure round and I believe the case broke apart also. You do not know what the velocity was for that round, which causes me concern with Speer QC. Also, the test was just to shoot the round in a drum full of water.

    I have shot the 6 petal rounds in water jugs full of water at over 1,500fps and it does not come apart. However, at those velocities it expands greatly and penetrates little on bare jugs. Going through 4 layers of denim first, it performs ok at that velocity.
     
  13. dkf

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    The failure was because that particular test gun needed a stronger recoil spring for the .357sig. In an updated video he switched to a heavier spring and all was well.