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The truth about the Capital atheists dont want us to know.

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by FCoulter, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. NMG26

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  2. FCoulter

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    So are you saying he is wrong? If so, provide proof before laughing please.
     
  3. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)

    Interesting. So, how much of Mr. Barton do you subscribe to? Do you think the First Amendment should be abolished also?
     
  4. FCoulter

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    So, did you watch the video? Do you disagree with what is said in the video?
    Or do you just wish to debate something you know nothing about as usual?
     
  5. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    I am asking a honest question about the maker of this film, who believes that there should be no seperation between church and state and essentially no First Amendment religious freedoms.

    Do, you, like him, believe this?
     
  6. FCoulter

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    Well I believe in the first amendment, however this thread is about the video posted.

    Do you object to anything said within the video?


    If so, lets discuss your objection.
     
  7. JBnTX

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    How can atheists not want us to know something that's common knowledge?

    You're seriously giving atheists way too much credit.
     
  8. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Watched it. I very much believe in the seperation between church and state as set forth in the First Amendment. When government puts itself in a position support a religion in state supported fashion we are in the territory of Revelation 13-11-12, "Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. <sup class="crossreference" value='(X)'></sup> It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>It exercised all the authority <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z)'></sup> of the first beast on its behalf, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA)'></sup> and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB)'></sup> whose fatal wound had been healed."
     
  9. hogfish

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    I am amazed to find out that the vast majority of government was Christian from the time it even got brought over by the great discover(er) of America, Cris. Columbus(though I think he was representing the Catholic Kings-still Christian). And to find out that it actually influenced the way government ran, is astonishing. Can you imagine how difficult it must have been for the founders of this great country to separate Church and State? They could not have gotten away with printing our 1st coin w/o IN GOD WE TRUST on it. I'm surprised they let that heathen, Thomas Payne, hang around (he was lucky there was no internet around in those days, or he might have been hanging around from a tree.
     
  10. Animal Mother

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    That Barton misrepresents facts has been well documented. One of the best documented is the one he starts off with here, that the US Congress published the first edition of the Bible in the United States. When he opens with a lie that blatant, what would be the point of addressing the rest of his falsehoods? If you believe he brings out any valid historical facts that are not already widely recognized, why don't you share them?
     
  11. lawman_77008

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    I watched the video. My impression was "So what". Was the purpose of that video to convince viewers that America is a christian nation and argue against the separation of church & state? If so it failed miserably. The only "facts" I gathered from the video was that there were some really superstitious folks 236 years ago and thankfully we've progressed from believing in silly things like talking snakes and invisible men in the sky. And thankfully those men didn't allow their silly superstions to ruin our country's government before it even started.
     
  12. Guss

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    So let's look at what we've got here...


    A Bible printed at the direction of Congress, with Congress recommending THAT VERSION of the Bible to the inhabitants of the states. It's clearly unconstitutional, but why wasn't it tested in court? Simply because no atheist would want to become an outcast of society at that time. Remember that they were less than a century away from the witch trials where people were tortured to death for mere SUSPICION of religious deviance.


    So the video shows us one violation of the constitution after another, proving that the religionists will grab for all they can get if you give them a chance.


    Now there is a long world history of governments finding religion a convenience to keep the population in line, so I guess you can make a utilitarian argument for it, but that doesn't mean that it is the best way.


    Religion does have a past in America, but it is a dark one. Feeling justified by their personal religions, Congress allowed slavery and tried to tear Native Americans away from their own religion. Later on, religious people in office banned birth control, banned Sunday store openings, closed dance halls, kept individuals out of public office because of religion, imposed temperance, etc. It's said that &#8220;the price of freedom is eternal vigilance,&#8221; and unless we remain vigilant with regards to religious intrusion, it will take over.
     
  13. Animal Mother

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    Actually, it's because the Bible wasn't printed at the direction of Congress. Nor did Congress finance the printing or call for the Bible in general or Aitken's Bible specifically to be used in schools, those are more of Barton's misrepresentations.
     
  14. Guss

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    Hmmm... How about the story of printing Bibles for the Indians? Government expense?
     
  15. Animal Mother

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    Which story? Printing 20,000 Bibles for distribution to the Indians? Didn't happen. That Jefferson created the Jefferson Bible as a tool for evangelizing to the Indians? Also false. That Jefferson sent missionaries to evangelize the Indians? Not true either. In fact, the Indians Barton mentions in this video had already been Christians for over a century at the point that the treaty was signed and they were the ones who requested the religious provisions.
     
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