I was going to save this for the next BoG quiz, but what the duck. Costing anywhere from an extra P3,500 up to as much as P6,000, 'non-appearance' processing of a new license obviously involves a lot more than dealing with FED and PNP at Crame. The runner has to deal with City Hall, the Municipal Trial Court, etc. ... These represent substantial investments of time, say about one morning each depending on distance between institutions. However, at the end of all this prep work is having to deal with PNP/FED in Camp Crame, Quezon City Metro Manila, and dealing with FED is at the very HEART of the 'non-appearance' issue. Insofar as the applicant's direct dealings with PNP-FED are concerned: 'Non-appearance' firearm license processing is not only legal, but is standard operating procedure as per the PNP's own guidelines, depending on where the license applicant is! Provincial applications have no choice but to follow the non-appearance route --Heck, it's not like Pedro or Pilar in the province are going to haul butt to Camp Crame in Metro Manila for the photography! Nope. What happens is that their provincial PNP commander accepts all the requisite docs and fees, (you can get drug tested anywhere nowadays, and gun safety seminars are supposed to be made available on the provincial level) and then he sends 'em to Crame (FED) in Metro Manila. FED takes a picture of the picture, and the machine spits out a regular plastic FL card. That gets shipped back out to the provincial PNP commander for release to the applicant. Pedro and Pilar in the provinces are excused the long trip to FED. Unfortunately, Juan Tamad and Bea Batugan in Metro Manila have been avoiding the trip to FED, abusing a system that was set up for provincial applications only. That's lazy Manileño BS, and Crame/FED no likee, no more. I shouldn't have to describe the dangers in allowing further abuse, 'di ba? Jason's old thread on the matter, if you read through his and others' experiences personally dealing with FED, should be instructive: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340155 For License Renewals: (from what I've experienced and heard from others) Super easy. If you get to FED before 9:30 in the morning with all the requirements, you can be done with everything in well under an hour. If later in the day, you're out of there in not much more. For New License Apps: (from what I've heard) It takes a little over two hours, in and out of Crame, depending on what time you get there. hth, horge Wanna kill these ads? We can help!