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The Truth about "Non-Appearance" License processing

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by horge, Jun 23, 2006.

  1. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    I was going to save this for the next BoG quiz, but what the duck.

    Costing anywhere from an extra P3,500 up to as much as P6,000,
    'non-appearance' processing of a new license obviously involves a lot more
    than dealing with FED and PNP at Crame. The runner has to deal
    with City Hall, the Municipal Trial Court, etc. ...
    These represent substantial investments of time, say about
    one morning each depending on distance between institutions.

    However, at the end of all this prep work is having to deal with
    PNP/FED in Camp Crame, Quezon City Metro Manila, and dealing with
    FED is at the very HEART of the 'non-appearance' issue. Insofar as
    the applicant's direct dealings with PNP-FED are concerned:

    'Non-appearance' firearm license processing is not only legal, but
    is standard operating procedure as per the PNP's own guidelines,
    depending on where the license applicant is!

    Provincial applications have no choice but to follow the non-appearance
    route --Heck, it's not like Pedro or Pilar in the province are going to
    haul butt to Camp Crame in Metro Manila for the photography!

    Nope. What happens is that their provincial PNP commander accepts all
    the requisite docs and fees, (you can get drug tested anywhere
    nowadays, and gun safety seminars are supposed to be made available
    on the provincial level) and then he sends 'em to Crame (FED) in Metro Manila.
    FED takes a picture of the picture, and the machine spits out
    a regular plastic FL card. That gets shipped back out to the
    provincial PNP commander for release to the applicant.

    Pedro and Pilar in the provinces are excused the long trip to FED.

    Unfortunately, Juan Tamad and Bea Batugan in Metro Manila
    have been avoiding the trip to FED, abusing a system that was set up
    for provincial applications only.

    That's lazy Manileño BS, and Crame/FED no likee, no more.
    I shouldn't have to describe the dangers in allowing further abuse,
    'di ba?



    Jason's old thread on the matter, if you read through his and others'
    experiences personally dealing with FED, should be instructive:
    http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340155

    For License Renewals:
    (from what I've experienced and heard from others)
    Super easy.
    If you get to FED before 9:30 in the morning with all the requirements,
    you can be done with everything in well under an hour. If later
    in the day, you're out of there in not much more.

    For New License Apps:
    (from what I've heard)
    It takes a little over two hours, in and out of Crame, depending
    on what time you get there.

    hth,
    :)
    horge
     
  2. isuzu

    isuzu

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    That is why we need a National ID Card. With just your Social Security Number, the government could access your records.

    Leftists, those who want to stabilize the government, and criminals do not want this ID. It just takes a bunch of numbers to get your full information.

    Here in Canada, the most important piece of ID aside from your driver's license is the Social Insurance Number. This is used to transact with the government, get a mortgage/loan from a bank or have them do a credit check.

    Red tape and corruption will be cut down, if not, eliminated with just a single document to identify a person. Makes things simplier.
     


  3. PMMA97

    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    I can personally attest that renewals made through personal appearance at FED are much faster. But the PNP-FED should license the User and not the gun.
     
  4. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    license renewal is now a breeze, had 2 guns renewed at the same time last year for less than 2k in less than an hour..now that is service!

    as for new apps, it can be fast provided you did the necessary legwork in securing all those clearances. di ko type, tamad ako e.:clown:

    which is why i hope the system would be changed to a model similar to vehicle ownership:cool:
     
  5. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Amen to that, Mannix.

    A single FOID/FL for handguns, renewable biennially and
    possibly a different FOID/FL for long firearms, similarly
    renewable. Practical skill-test upon initial application.

    Of course, if one proposes 'minimum' firearm skills to
    be universally applicable to all classes of firearms,
    then a single FOID/FL for any and all gun types would be most
    convenient for us consumers.

    Firearm registration as we know it is already proceeding
    along 'motor vehicle' lines: periodic registration of each
    firearm possessed. So...

    Switching to a single FOID/FL, the number of trips to FED aren't
    likely to change; you just pay less overall (one license only), and
    you can use third parties to renew your firearm registrations.
     
  6. mc_oliver

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    Hi Horge. Swaying your topic to one side a bit, what do you know, rule-wise, about licensing for "switch-top" guns (one frame, two top ends of different calibers)?

    Thanks.
     
  7. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    i'll ask sa kakilala namin if this is possible
     
  8. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hi, Oliver

    FED practices the registration of extra frames/receivers only, even
    though under the law, barrels-and-chambers are considered firearms.
    Slides don't seem to count, nor do extra revolver cylinders.

    I asked some folk/staff at FED last January (but not Col. Po,
    as he was out at the time), and they seemed to think of extra barrels
    as 'accessories'. I mean, like ---does FED have a way to fingerprint
    loose barrels?

    Obviously if you submit a new firearm for registration/fingerprinting
    WITH the extra upper included, then they'll probably fingerprint both
    uppers. They MIGHT charge you double, but issue a single license with
    two FA registrations:

    Gun stores that sell extra frames ALREADY submit reg papers on them
    to FED, with the buyer's name and info, for inclusion in FED's
    database, so there IS additional reg, but apparently no additional
    licensing (nor, obviously, additional license card)

    If anyone has clearer info on this, please post it!

    horge
     
  9. mc_oliver

    mc_oliver

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    Wow you guys are fast! Appreciate the replies, thanks.
     
  10. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    What are the documentary requirements for license renewal now? Drug test? Neuro? Anything else?

    Also, would you guys know if we need to submit proof (e.g. billing statements) in case we had a change of address that we want reflected in the new license?
     
  11. i_am_infinity

    i_am_infinity Pang Altar

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    I was told by a friend that barrels now are stamped with serial numbers and would need a license just for that barrel. if i'm not mistaken i thinh it was TwinPines where they found out about it since they were buying an iron side barrel...can anyone confirm this?
     
  12. I also heard that one no longer needs to present a "gun safety seminar certificate" so long as the fees for this (i believe abount P360.00) are paid and the receipt presented. Is this accurate? thanks.
     
  13. i_am_infinity

    i_am_infinity Pang Altar

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    this is only applicable for renewals and not for New applications...
     
  14. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    mco: i asked the one who facilitates our renewals. hindi raw pwede 2 topends with only 1 frame and same serial no. kahit supplemental license. ay ewan!
     
  15. mc_oliver

    mc_oliver

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    Gulo nga eh. Thanks Doc.
     
  16. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    e kung disassembled ang pistol during transport? ibaon mo yung topend ng 40 and .38?
     
  17. SMBeerDealer

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    I know someone who owns 1 frame and 3 top ends. One in .38 Super, .40, and .45. He has 3 separate licenses as if they were 3 different guns. Bigat nga daw sa renewal. He's stuck with the gun for life as no one wants to buy all 3. :supergrin:
     
  18. mc_oliver

    mc_oliver

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    I've thought of that, kaso what if sasakay ako eroplano? Hasel na papa-register ko nalang siguro pag nabuo na.
     
  19. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    ang solution dyan, kelangan punong puno ng grasa at langis pistol and parts mo para hindi na hahawakan for fear na madumihan manicured fingers nila during inspection!

    hahahaa!!!:supergrin: