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The real difference between liberal states and Conservative States

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by JuneyBooney, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. ilgunguygt

    ilgunguygt Enslaved in IL

    Yep. Here in IL we have 102 counties. 99 of them vote conservative. Our last gubernatorial election the republican won 99 of 102 counties, but lost the election. Cook county is in the othere 3. Wanna guess where the highest crime is?:whistling:
  2. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    I think you would be surprised at how much crime affects the average person. You do not need to raped, robbed or nurdered to be a victim of a crime. Vandalism, burglaries of homes and cars, theft of cars are all prevelent. I grew up in nice neghborhoods in a crime ridden city. We were the victims of burglaries 3 times. We had our car window shot out with a 12 gauge. All of it was essentially background noise. Where I work it is pretty common to talk to one victim and then have a few others pop out of their homes. Most do not report it.

    As for the OP I do not agree.

  3. fwm


    May 31, 2006
    Near Central US
    Pretty and livable are two different things. The worst two weeks I ever had was a week in San Fran. Didn't like WA, except the climb to Mt Rainiers' glacier.

    Been and lived in enough places that I don't go anywhere unarmed any more, so that eliminates both East and West Coast liberal states as well as the Second East Coast, Chicago. I have friends that come down from Chicago occasionally and they were horrified when I pointed out everybody in my residence for the get together was armed, except for them

    (The 'Ruling' politicians concerns about me carrying a gun tell me all I need to know about what they think of me, and who to stay away from.)
  4. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    SF is a hard place to live or visit for very long unless you have a lot more money than the average person. I would not live there unless my gross income was over $300,000.

    The rest of the state gets better as you get further from LA or SF. The Sierras and their foothills are amazing this time of year. All the tourists go to Yosemite and Tahoe in the summer. The fall is perfect time. Due to my wife being in school for a lot of our marriage it has been a long time since we have gone up there this time of year. I hope to get up there in the fall one of these years before the oldest kid hits grade school. Even places like Monterey or Santa Cruz are nice this time of year even though they are pretty close to the sucky parts of CA.

    As for Washington I think it is a pretty nice place. I would live closer to the OR side of the state though. Much prettier and less people. The Seattle area just seems like a mess to me. Their gun laws are very good considering CA is next door and transplants have damaged OR. NV looks like it is going downhill faster than OR and WA these days. I think it is because Sacto and even SF are pretty close to Reno. Not to mention LV is just 4 hours away from LA. That is pretty much a day trip.
  5. IndianaMatt


    Jul 8, 2008
    The only difference is population.

    And this is scary, as the country's population continues to explode past unsustainable proportions.

    In the future, we all live in a liberal state.
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012
  6. If you have a liberal state it will be higher crime than a conservative state. Look at Maryland vs Virginia. I won't get into the race issue but that could be argued as well. Which parts of "New England" are you speaking? :whistling:
  7. I agree on that to a degree. In Va the Northern Va part could be considered to be liberal a..wipes...:rofl:More money though and more crime..wait..that is what I said in my op...:whistling: But most of the state is good.
  8. kiole


    Feb 16, 2008
    I was in Dennis Mass a few months ago which is liberal central and I couldn't enjoy myself as I was continuously dodging gun fire. It was a public beach and there were even minorities:wow:

    Last edited: Oct 6, 2012
  9. Cali-Glock

    Cali-Glock Mountain Man

    Feb 11, 2002
    California Sierra Mnts
    Urban California is a liberal crime filled cesspool. But geographically most of California is rural, conservative and beautiful.

    The irony is that in the urban crime filled counties you can't get a CCW, but in most of the safe, crime free rural counties CCWs are easy to obtain.
  10. mikeflys1

    mikeflys1 Pastafarian

    Jun 19, 2007
    Haven't you seen the chart of federal tax dollars in vs. out by state? The "liberal" states are continually being mugged to support the "conservative" ones.
  11. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    I've lived in liberal and conservative states. You want to know the real difference? It's attitude. Exactly the same as the differences between conservative and liberal members on this board.

    It's a completely different way of looking at everything.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2012
  12. devildog2067


    Apr 20, 2005
    As I already pointed out in this thread, that is simply not true.
  13. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

    Aug 16, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    Hey. I'm Dennis in MA! Lol. (I'm actually in Harwich right now. Lol)

    I'll tell you the real difference. Conservative states want all the consevative people to live ther, making fewer and fewer truly conservative states.

    Liberal states export people to neighboring conservative states to set up beachheads and change voting preferences.

    Their plan is long term and works. And all of you who say, "move out of those liberal places" are only doing our cause more harm by your protectionist practices.
  14. devildog2067


    Apr 20, 2005
    This statement irritated me enough that I actually decided to go count.

    I looked at 2008's FBI UCR* statistics for violent crime (rates of violent crime per 100,000 people). I then compared against the list of states whose electoral votes went to Obama in 2008.

    Your statement is wrong. Only 21 states are both "conservative" (went to McCain) and have crime rates lower than the national average.

    Here's the complete list, divided into 4 categories.

    States that voted Republican in 2008 AND have higher crime rates than the national average:

    Alaska 654.4
    Arizona 478.6
    Arkansas 516.4
    Georgia 496.1
    Louisiana 658.4
    Missouri 505.2
    Oklahoma 539.7
    South Carolina 726.2
    Tennessee 721.6
    Texas 508.2

    States that voted Republican in 2008 AND have lower crime rates than the national average:

    Alabama 465.7
    Idaho 239.3
    Kansas 415.1
    Kentucky 306.6
    Mississippi 328.7
    Montana 302.0
    Nebraska 323.3
    North Dakota 200.5
    South Dakota 300.6
    Utah 225.6
    West Virginia 300.4
    Wyoming 245.5

    States that voted Democratic in 2008 AND have higher crime rates than the national average:

    California 503.8
    Delaware 708.6
    Florida 688.9
    Illinois 560.0
    Maryland 628.2
    Michigan 522.2
    Nevada 727.5
    New Mexico 670.6
    North Carolina 486.6

    States that voted Democratic in 2008 AND have lower crime rates than the national average:

    Colorado 344.1
    Connecticut 306.7
    Hawaii 272.5
    Indiana 375.5
    Iowa 298.2
    Maine 119.4
    Massachusetts 466.2
    Minnesota 200.0
    New Hampshire 166.0
    New Jersey 326.1
    New York 401.8
    Ohio 385.1
    Oregon 265.0
    Pennsylvania 417.0
    Rhode Island 252.8
    Vermont 140.8
    Virginia 258.1
    Washington 332.1
    Wisconsin 276.9

    Notice that the largest group is the group of states that lean left AND have low crime rates.

    (*UCR statistics are not available for Illinois or Minnesota in 2008. I looked at the state's published statistics instead. Illinois' crime rate is higher than the average by about 20%, and Minnesota's is lower by about 50%. Both went Democrat in the 2008 election.)
  15. moeman


    Feb 15, 2004
    So CA
    I don't agree-- "consevative/republican states have bads stats on crime and haiving thier hands out;

    Crime 2010:
    No. 1: NEVADA
    Assault: 8
    Burglary: 12
    Murder: 13
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 1
    Rape: 8
    Robbery: 1

    No. 2: NEW MEXICO
    Assault: 5
    Burglary: 3
    Murder: 6
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 7
    Rape: 2
    Robbery: 23

    No. 3: LOUISIANA
    Assault: 4
    Burglary: 9
    Murder: 1
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 14
    Rape: 33
    Robbery: 18

    Assault: 1
    Burglary: 8
    Murder: 7
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 9
    Rape: 13
    Robbery: 16

    No. 5: TENNESSEE
    Assault: 2
    Burglary: 5
    Murder: 8
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 15
    Rape: 19
    Robbery: 8

    No. 6: FLORIDA
    Assault: 6
    Burglary: 7
    Murder: 12
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 13
    Rape: 23
    Robbery: 4

    No. 7: DELAWARE
    Assault: 7
    Burglary: 18
    Murder: 10
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 19
    Rape: 9
    Robbery: 3

    No. 8: MARYLAND
    Assault: 10
    Burglary: 23
    Murder: 2
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 4
    Rape: 45
    Robbery: 2

    No. 9: ARIZONA
    Assault: 21
    Burglary: 15
    Murder: 13
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 2
    Rape: 39
    Robbery: 15

    No. 10: ARKANSAS
    Assault: 11
    Burglary: 2
    Murder: 18
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 32
    Rape: 4
    Robbery: 28

    No. 11: ALABAMA
    Assault: 22
    Burglary: 4
    Murder: 5
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 21
    Rape: 16
    Robbery: 11

    No. 12: GEORGIA
    Assault: 20
    Burglary: 6
    Murder: 8
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 6
    Rape: 42
    Robbery: 7

    No. 13: OKLAHOMA
    Assault: 9
    Burglary: 10
    Murder: 16
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 18
    Rape: 10
    Robbery: 26

    No. 14: ALASKA
    Assault: 3
    Burglary: 39
    Murder: 28
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 29
    Rape: 1
    Robbery: 30

    No. 15: CALIFORNIA
    Assault: 18
    Burglary: 25
    Murder: 16
    Motor Vehicle Theft: 3
    Rape: 41
    Robbery: 5


    Stat is a little old but it still rings true: "Of the 32 states which receive more than they contribute, 27 states (84%) are REPUBLICAN. Of the 18 states which contribute more than they receive, 14 states (78%) are DEMOCRATIC."
  16. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    That's a good point. And, proven by the fact that Florida is now in play for the liberals. When I lived there, I think there were more New Yorkers and New Jerseyites in Florida, than in the states they came from.

    Forty years ago, when I used to go there to visit my relatives, it was as conservative as Alabama.
  17. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

    Jan 7, 2001
    Plano, Texas, Republic of
    The Dalls/Forth Worth area has a low crime rate because all of the criminals are stuck in traffic.
  18. The Maggy

    The Maggy

    Dec 24, 2008
    Stillwater, OK
    Oklahoma is a very conservative state, it's crime rate is above the national average and has one of the highest incarceration rates in the country.

    It seems by your reasoning, conservatives love them some meth and wife beating.
  19. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

    Aug 16, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    Yup. Listen to NH Trucker. He'll tell you of all the mass shoals who go to NH and try and make it MA II.

    The stars you quote aren't relative, DD. sure, some of those conservative states have high crime. But look at how many have high Mexican influx problems. Like Texas. And the Dakotas. And Alaska. Lol. (in before the "it's the Mexicans fault'ers)
  20. Flying-Dutchman


    Oct 10, 2007
    A “Conservative State” is one where at least 51% of the population is conservative meaning there are a lot of Liberals in every State.

    And that is the way it must be.

    Liberals hate Conservatives but they love to live around them as someone’s got to pay for their rules, regulations and taxes.

    Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money as Margaret Thatcher used to say.