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The problem with stocking premium JHP in large quantities

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by poodleshooter1, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. poodleshooter1


    May 3, 2005
    I have 7K rounds of premium handgun JHP (Gold Dot and Ranger Talon). I bought most of it when it was about $20 a box or less. Trouble is, that even if I go through a 50rd box every year (I don't even go through half of that if at all) it will last me several lifetimes.

    Now, that would seem great, problem is that the value of this stuff will go down when newer JHP's come onto the market a decade from now. Should I sell some of it off and make some money off it since it's currently worth more than I paid for it?

    Another thought is to trade some of it for some premium .223 JHP, of which I have none. Just Ulyanovsk ammo...

    Why did I buy so much premium JHP? I saw the panic coming before 2008 and started buying it before the panic and price craze. I remember this ammo selling for $55 a box online (assuming anyone had some in stock)!! So I guess part of me is prepped for a supply SHTF. But of course, I don't need THAT much. Could barter it though...
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  2. TangoFoxtrot

    TangoFoxtrot OIF 04-05

    Sep 10, 2008
    Nowhereville, USA
    Keep it! Or trade like you said for some .223 Not only will you be prepared and well armed you will have a bartering currency. Think about shelf life.
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  3. LongGun1

    LongGun1 StraightShooter

    My how much do you practice total?

    Also...Do you have parents, girlfriend, wife, kids, friends, etc that practice with your ammo?

    Do you shoot a lot of .22 LR, then ball ammo, then just a few of your premium rounds?

    Or is most or all of your practice with your JHP? are averaging 2 (or less) rounds of your best carry ammo a month in practice.. :whistling:

    ..& IMO... you might want to "step it up a notch... or 10"! :tongueout:

    Skill sets are like a knife...needs to be honed frequently to be sharpest! :supergrin:

    For example...besides my other practice with .22LR (90+ %)..

    (and not including rifle ammo...rifles tend to get the most range time with me & mine)

    ..and practice with hotter FMJ..

    ..I might go thru a box or two of premium pistol ammo a session..

    ..more if with friends and/or family!
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  4. quake

    quake Millennium Member

    Aug 4, 1999
    Arkansas, USA
    Imo, don't sell it. When something "new & better" comes out (and it llikely will), that won't have any degrading effect on the stuff you have; it'll still be as good as it ever was. My two primary 9mm carry loads are examples of this very thing. One is a newish load - the winchester ranger talon RA9TA; probably been out 10-12 years - and one is an old load - Federal 9BPLE. The RA9TA is probably a little "better", but fact is the 9BPLE has a 20- or 30-year track record of doing very good things. Frankly, the new 124-grain +P gold dot may be as good as either of them actually.

    My point is simply that while we all want the newest & best, the fact that something newer & better comes on the market doesn't functionally detract at all from what was on the market yesterday. I understand the arguments of "carry the best that's available", "how much is your life worth", etc, but I just don't see it. If my 9BPLE (or your GD & RT) worked yesterday, they'll work just as well today.

    I still like, trust & stock both of those loads. Main reason I went back to the 9BPLE after a couple-year stint with solely the RA9TA is frankly cost. I like to actually shoot my carry load fairly regularly - not as much as some, but typically a couple magazines at the end of each range session. And the cost of doing so is a genuine factor; no way around that. The new (and very good) gold dot +P runs about a $1.10 a round nowadays.:faint: The RA9TA runs about 60 cents per round, and the 9BPLE is about 36 cents per round. Since I see any of them as more than adequate for personal defense use (and I do; ymmv), I'd rather have and shoot three times as much ammo for the same cost if possible, and the older 9BPLE lets me do that.

    Not sure if you're talking about 9mm or what caliber, and you mention that you stocked up on the gold dots & ranger talons when those loads were less than $20/50. If it's 9mm, the only way I'd consider selling it is if I could do so at a substantial profit, and then spend that money on a larger quantity of 9BPLE, since 9BPLE is still less than $20/50, and is as effective as it ever was.
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  5. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

    Apr 5, 2011
    Tampa, FL
    1. Buy a full-auto subgun.
    2. Shoot it.

    Problem solved.
  6. cyrsequipment

    cyrsequipment Angry

    Aug 8, 2004
    That seems like a solution to a LOT of "problems"... Good thinking!:supergrin:
  7. LongGun1

    LongGun1 StraightShooter

    Good Post! :thumbsup:

    The 9BPLE is one of my longtime favorite loads, a mature street proven stopper & the "premium JHP" 9mm pistol rounds I practice with most!

    Though I stock a decent quantity of it..

    ..I would not mind having a few more cases! :supergrin:

    That being said..

    ..I am a firm believer in placement trumps bullet construction..

    ..& bullet construction trumps caliber!

    And placement gets better with practice...

    ..practice takes ammo! :supergrin:

  8. jellis11

    jellis11 Yippee-ki-yay

    Jul 27, 2011
    South Kakalaki
    id go for some .223 if you have none
  9. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

    Jan 20, 2004
    Alaska, again (for now)
    Whats the point in stocking 7K rounds if you never shoot it?

    I mean I've got waaay more than 7K, but at the rate I shoot, I rotate most of my stock on a yearly, or bi-yearly basis.
  10. NDCent

    NDCent Socially Inept

    Mar 19, 2010
    They will kill a decade or two from now just as well as they do today.
  11. Ronaldo

    Ronaldo Ancient Member Millennium Member

    Nov 7, 1999
    Free Republic of Tejas
    I wish I had such a bad problem...:crying:

    Take my advice and hang on to it. It is tempting to cash out of stored ammo when you're short of money, or see some new shiny toy. But in the long term you will regret it.

    I had about 25 cases of Chinese 7.62x39 in spam cans that was taking up a lot of space some years ago, and since I had so much I figured selling most of it off for some extra $$$ would be a smart idea. Then, overnight, the imports were cut off! I had paid about $60 a case for it and by selling it for $75, thought I was making a killing. I still grieve when I think of it.

    There is NEVER too much ammo, regardless if it's .22, 7.62. or 9mm defensive rounds. Just sit on it. Ten years from now it will be worth its weight in gold, literally.

  12. RichJ


    Jan 26, 2009
    I wouldn't worry about the value of those rounds going down. It will be a long time before anything replaces a premium bonded bullet like Gold Dots or Golden Sabers. Besides, those bullets aren't going to go bad or become any less effective just because a new bullet design somes out.
  13. poodleshooter1


    May 3, 2005
    Mostly shoot .22 or ball. I have conversion kits and a stock of fmj for practice...I just saw what was coming and kept buying when I had the opp.
  14. UneasyRider

    UneasyRider C.D.B.

    Dec 1, 2005
    Keep it, they will be just as dead with it as any new stuff.
  15. poodleshooter1


    May 3, 2005
    You have 7K rounds of premium JHP huh?

    I have way more ammo than that, we are talking about JHP here though, not the Wolf you stock for your AR.
  16. cyrsequipment

    cyrsequipment Angry

    Aug 8, 2004
    What was the point of that comment?
  17. jellis11

    jellis11 Yippee-ki-yay

    Jul 27, 2011
    South Kakalaki
    you could set 1k on fire for the fourth of july!?
  18. RatDrall


    May 23, 2009

    This sums up the whole post.

    BTW you can find great deals on "old technology" JHPs that worked well for a long time, and will continue to do so.
  19. sebecman


    Jun 13, 2008
    I think he was just pointing out that his stash is premium ammo and if AKstick is practicing with more than 7K rounds a year he is likely shooting a lesser grade, like wolf.

    I don't think there are many who would routinely burn up $5,000+ worth of gold dots at the range.

  20. poodleshooter1


    May 3, 2005
    Sebecman got it.
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