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The new Russian assault to replace the AK-74M, the AK-12

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by esh325, Jan 25, 2012.


  1. esh325

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    I love the AK, but come on it took you guys 65 years to finally fix the safety and other design issues? I'm impressed though. I was a bit suprised they didn't show 6.5 grendel or other new caliber in the picture. Perhaps that means they aren't going to make one or they just haven't announced it. Either way, I really want one. Hopefully in the future they will make Saiga sporting versions of the new model.
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    http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/kalashnikov-ak-12-e.html
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  2. CTfam

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    New rifle? They can't even afford to feed their Army. Lol.
     
  4. fnfalman

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    I don't see the thumb lever safety as an improvement. With the other safety, you wipe your hand down the receiver and it'll go on Fire. No problem with using it if you were to wear heavy gloves/mittens either.

    However, four-stacks 60-rounds mags...I can dig it, probably stole the idea from Surefire.
     
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    Pretty much the same rifle, just different furniture. Also looks like it will be available in 7.62x51, that would be nice.
     
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  6. esh325

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    Not at all. Read the link and they've done many improvements to the design.



    Improvement or not, it certainly isn't a detractor. They didn't steal it. The 60 round magazine idea has been around a long time with the Russians. They just got to implanting it just now. If they stole anything, I think they stole many of the rifles features from aftermarket improvements made for the rifle in the United States and other countries. Krebs custom did the dust cover pictanny rail thing long before. The thumb safety from the Finnish Valmet/Galil.
     
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    Be careful going to that link. You'll get a virus.
     
  8. ancient_serpent

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    Looks...kinda crappy.
     
  9. esh325

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    It does look a bit ugly, yes. Better looking then some of these plastic fantastic rifles coming out though.
     
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    I think they figured out when going through a all new rifle (AN-94) that it would be too expensive to re-equip everyone so they are going for small improvements ,al la M-16 A1,A2,A4 that won't cost much yet still have some improvement over what they have now
     
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    I like it.
    Interesting how they stuck with the rock and lock mag system.
    I assume this is an interim redesign, nothing meant to be too radical.
     
  12. esh325

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    I think they would need to make totally new magazines for a straight up and in mag system. Could be wrong though. I forgot to mention that it's still a prototype. Perhaps they might change that in the future.
     
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    Because unlike the side button system, there's no mechanical weakness in that rock & lock system. You can mount a 200-rounds drum into the mag well and there will be no issues with the mag sagging too low to properly feed.
     
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    That sounds plausible. It doesn't necessarily need a have a side button system for the magazine to go straight up. Think of the PPS43 or how most submachine magazines guns go straight up in the mag well, but don't have a side button like an AR15.
     
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  15. USDefender

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    +1

    As a 'lefty,' I find the older 'AK-design' to be 'just where it needs to be' in terms of ergos, shell-ejection, the lever safety, etc. That's as opposed to newer rifle designs that, all too often, treat the non-right-handed end user as an after-thought.

    I think it's great that Russia is coming out with a 'newer' rifle, though. Means more 'surplus AKs' on the market for us here in the States... ;)
     
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    I forgot that the Italian Spectre submachine gun also had multiple stacks mags too.
     
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    Did it improve the accurate issue?
     
  18. esh325

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    I never thought there was an accuracy issue with the AK design to begin with, but it says this version has new rifling to improve accuracy. As far as what that new rifling is, I don't know.
     
  19. USDefender

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    Especially not after the Ruskies came out with the 5.45 cartridge.
     
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    Krebs has a modification that allows for this.