The new M4 chart is out.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
The reason you don't hear a lot of people bragging about their DPMS is the same reason they refused to be part of this list.Not many poster bragging about their DPMS around here that i've noticed.
I have nothing against this chart, although he shoulda put the colt website there like he did with the others. At least one could view and read about the sp6920 if nothing more.
I've been reading this site for a few years now. It's been nearly dead at least that long. It's the snobbish regulars that have created any and all outcomes of this site. All they do is high five each other and show up for flamings. As for the so called knowlegable people if they are arrogant and snobbish such as the few that frequent here who the hell cares what they have to say. I'm not the only one here that feels this way. To blame your view of problems about this site on infrequent posters is rather stupid! :steamed:
I agree w/ you.Your'e reading me wrong. Not everybody who is knowledgable are snobbish.
I was saying that because one is knowlegable doesnt mean they have to be boorish about it. And a lot of those "list" people do display such behavior.
and ARFTARDS is one of the 2 worst places that give gun owners, esp black rifles owners a bad rep.
About 2 years ago I was looking thru their site and after about 2 hrs of reading decided not to join and have never been back.
I wasn't implying that every chart user is snobbish.
Yes some other brands have more options you may like over the your so called Kool Ade brands, but the "chart" is a comparison of commercially manufactured M4 type rifles. It does not include every style/type of AR there is.What makes Bushmaster lesser quality than Spikes?
The Spikes LE series uses milspec steel for the bolt, carrier, and barrel along with HPT and MPI testing. Does Bushmaster?
I have owned them and they were just a good as my LMT and BCM.
And what is "just as good as" besides they go "bang" when you pull the trigger?
Some have more options I like over the other Kool-ade brands.
1. Why does Mil-Spec steel shoot better or more reliably than regular gun steel? Put together properly either will do the job. Just because the military specs a test doesn't make it any better than what the builder does when developed/built.Yes some other brands have more options you may like over the your so called Kool Ade brands, but the "chart" is a comparison of commercially manufactured M4 type rifles. It does not include every style/type of AR there is.
True.Both do have good info when you can wade thru the retarded crap and pick out the good posters. Like anywhere else but seems more so there. Gamers joining up maybe?
What makes Bushmaster lesser quality than Spikes?
I have owned them and they were just a good as my LMT and BCM.
Some have more options I like over the other Kool-ade brands.
1. Why does Mil-Spec steel shoot better or more reliably than regular gun steel?
Where has anyone said milspec barrels shoot better?
2. Just as accurate, reliable, durable, and looks the same.
No, Im serious, I want to know. Lets hear why mil spec is so good for the $$$.the above in blue seems to be what those that don't understand go by.
If you are asking to learn, fine. If you are just asking just to be an :eric: then anything that anyone tries to explain to you is just wasted.
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I have owned LMT, Colt, Bushmaster, RRA, and BCM AR piddle shooters and they are all the same design and for the most part work well for the average AR owner.
And I've got some homework for you Randolph......read the entire thread before you start with the insults and telling people to "stay in their lane." This isn't your web-site, people can say whatever they want to, and don't have to do home work or run it by you first.G21FAN, Im going to assign you some homework.
please stay in your lane until you've done it.
based on most of your post, you're pretty green about AR/M4's.
read about: TDP & NSN.
understand mil-spec = minimum standards. If a manufacturer cannot even met the minimum, why waste $$ on them ?
No, Im serious, I want to know. Lets hear why mil spec is so good for the $$$.
And I've got some homework for you Randolph......read the entire thread before you start with the insults and telling people to "stay in their lane." This isn't your web-site, people can say whatever they want to, and don't have to do home work or run it by you first.
Knock off the condecending crap, if you don't have something nice (or at least a positive addition to the conversation) to say, then how about you just skip posting all together.
Gee, another pissing match over ARs. What a shock. :shakehead:
Wonder how long this thread will last.:upeyes:
Do you know the reasons behind the list or are you just upset?That's all that chart is good for!
Starting an argument, that's all!
There are plenty of reasons a company would not want to participate
in such nonsense. The least of the reasons is they have something to
hide or have an inferior product.
Any number of legal reasons or just not seeing a requirement to "compete"
with other brands that just might be owned by the same company that
owns them.
Ever wonder why Taco Bell doesn't compete with Pizza Hut?
What about Larue were they contacted and refused to respond ? In my opinion they build some of the best AR's around. Maybe I just don't understand the concept of the chart.Is it limited to M4 clones only?